Everything I can think of that's wrong with DDO.. from a FAN

[Doug]

DDO is not the perfect MMO. Maybe such a beast resides out there in the far reaches of cyberspace.. if so, I haven't seen it yet. I have tired of the ongoing ridiculous stuff I have seen posted about DDO, and I would like to try to set the record as straight as I can. I'll try to keep to one negative per post, and I WILL post my thoughts on each, fwiw.

This thread's been around for a VERY long time. Some of the things it mentions no longer exist in the game. Still, it's a pretty good primer for the things players have complained about over the years.

It's been just about a decade now since I made this posting. Yet some of the things it covers are STILL relevant.

[Doug]

Автор сообщения: 殺してあげる

And yeah, I didn't strip the rest of the quote tag like usually do for replies. In my defence, I didn't care. Er, i was distracted :P

And thus, I'm blaming you for this post with the same problem that coincidentally follows yours. :)

Автор сообщения: Ashoka Tano

you want to see a real free to play game... check out Path of Exile. real free to play. none of these lies u get here

I get the 'I don't agree' post, but the 'you should play this other game instead' thing always seems odd to me (even when the comparison is fair and accurate). Umm.. this is in a DDO forum, right? Who exactly is your audience?

On top of that, this entire thread exists to clear the air so there aren't any misconceptions or wrong assumptions or 'lies', so that people (who care to read it) know exactly what they're getting into. At the very least, create a similar thread on your 'go to' game on its forum that lets readers delve into the mechanics of said game and post a link to it here to support your contention that it's 'better'. Your baldly-stated word on it isn't going to convince anyone, it just makes you look like a troll. And nobody's going to do the research to check your assertion if you don't provide it and a link to it.

'Cause frankly, I've tried a number of 'freemium' games and been .. upset .. once I figured out how skewed they were in favor of those who paid. And some of them came highly-recommended.

[Doug]

Автор сообщения: Ashoka Tano

you want to see a real free to play game... check out Path of Exile. real free to play. none of these lies u get here

Автор сообщения: Ashoka Tano

no game mech affecting micro transaction unlkike this pos liar game,. buy ur xp mounts n quests while some of us play totaly free and unlimited games like PoE. pay to win ddo so sad.

And, of course, on the topic of 'lies', it would be a good idea if your information were accurate. DDO has no mounts and therefore no paid mounts.

(Edit: No longer true. ;) )

[Doug]

Автор сообщения: Ashoka Tano

Автор сообщения: Highly Heretical

Yes, because Path of Exile has no microtransactions at all.

Oh, wait.

yeep got lvl 99 with full uniques set annnnnnnd did forumn clan pvp matches. not one penny spent for exp, mount, quests/ classs. race. nope nota./ u said it urself no micro transaction....
no game mech affecting micro transaction unlkike this pos liar game,. buy ur xp mounts n quests while some of us play totaly free and unlimited games like PoE. pay to win ddo so sad.

And besides all of the above, you can do (and collect) absolutely everything in DDO except about 3 VIP perks (10% XP boost, first life Elite quest opens and such) without paying a cent (which you would know if you had bothered to read this thread before posting). It would just take some grinding. Possibly even quite a bit of it. But that doesn't change the fact that it's possible.

[Exothermically Eclectic]

Автор сообщения: Doug

And besides all of the above, you can do (and collect) absolutely everything in DDO except about 3 VIP perks (10% XP boost, first life Elite quest opens and such)

You can basically get that too, if you have two accounts.

[殺してあげる]

The sheer annoyance effort of that. For one they'd need to have access, so you're doubling the points...which is fine I suppose if you're always farming all your points, since just means run everything in a pairing...but...

Some quests that won't work on. Have had issues with it with regards to spells where you teleport and THEN get the option to select difficulty...which requires the other account to step in with you, which can inflict a level-range penalty. Also wouldn't work in a quest where it's a quest access from within a quest - the second half of Tangleroot coming to mind (where you need to enter the deeper section), as does the two-part Velah raid.

So if you don't mind always having a character that's overleveled entering with you (i.e. just want favour) it can work, but if you're trying for a bravery streak, it'd be...yeah.


And I say this while snarling, 'cuz I'm currently farming some TP for another character slot...and running quests three times in a row is boring me to tears (enough so I'm debating just TR'ing someone on Argo and running from scratch - or the more hillarious "I'll just get a month of VIP to farm the points" brain misfire)

[Exothermically Eclectic]

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So if you don't mind always having a character that's overleveled entering with you (i.e. just want favour) it can work, but if you're trying for a bravery streak, it'd be...yeah.

Alternatively, have characters at a range of levels.

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And I say this while snarling, 'cuz I'm currently farming some TP for another character slot...and running quests three times in a row is boring me to tears

You can't find LFMs for Elite runs? Or even just find TRs and run with them?

[2$hort]

DDO use to be a great game: but every update has become even more disappointed with every update.

Frankly i'd rather spend my time with other games: specially with next gen Gameing : DDO is out dated:

DDO is not worth the Subscription any more:

Heck can i sell my DDO Account
Guild Leader = level 50+ - solo'ed 90% of the renoun (
Completions X1 -
2 lives into 2nd
6-7 epic lives
7 storage toons -
70 sharded bank slots
upgraded plat storage -
7 or 9 toons + one not availiable
All classes unlocked on kypher
All expansions purchased

*options to still grind TP on all other serves cept for one i started to but decided to go VIP-
*oh yea - 20+ xp pots 20 - 50% range
* Lots of eipc and custome Gear 0

5+ renoun pots 200% boost
20+ 20% -Bought in game in House of C merchants
7k to 9k Turbine points on acoount

Hum.....wonder if you can Ebay that
Google Rocks
http://www.epicnpc.com/forums/179-Dungeons-amp-Dragons-Online-DDO-Accounts-Buy-Sell-Trade

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Автор сообщения: Highly Heretical

Alternatively, have characters at a range of levels.

Oh, I'm aware it's possible, but to NOT interfere with a bravery streak, it'd require 10 characters (every even number up to 20), unless you level them, which then prevents their use for the next trip through. Well, likely not that many, you'd just need to figure which levels have quests with special qualifiers to enter. I'm just saying it's a pain in the tush.

If they sold 'Open on Elite' as a permenant thing in the store, I'd do it.

You can't find LFMs for Elite runs? Or even just find TRs and run with them?

Wait, what? PUG? People do that?


*amused* due to things over a decade ago, I'm a rather devout soloist. Mabar dragon was the only time I'd PUG. Hm, well that and the Rhakgoul Plague world event in SWTOR; pitched battles in Outlaws Den versus enemy raids AND world bosses at the same time was just too much fun.

[Exothermically Eclectic]

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Oh, I'm aware it's possible, but to NOT interfere with a bravery streak, it'd require 10 characters (every even number up to 20), unless you level them, which then prevents their use for the next trip through. Well, likely not that many, you'd just need to figure which levels have quests with special qualifiers to enter. I'm just saying it's a pain in the tush.

Every even? 3, 6, 9...

Автор сообщения: 殺してあげる

If they sold 'Open on Elite' as a permenant thing in the store, I'd do it.

Well, so would I, but still.

Автор сообщения: 殺してあげる

Wait, what? PUG? People do that?

*amused* due to things over a decade ago, I'm a rather devout soloist. Mabar dragon was the only time I'd PUG. Hm, well that and the Rhakgoul Plague world event in SWTOR; pitched battles in Outlaws Den versus enemy raids AND world bosses at the same time was just too much fun.

I virtually never don't PUG. I'm playing an MMO for a reason, you know, and it's not to play what is essentially a single-player D&D game; there are plenty of those around to play.

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Автор сообщения: Highly Heretical

Every even? 3, 6, 9...

Hm, my bad, I listed functional contributions. If it just sits at the entrance though, you're able to do with a lot less. Every third like you said, need 6 in all.

I'm playing an MMO for a reason, you know, and it's not to play what is essentially a single-player D&D game; there are plenty of those around to play.

Considering been playing MMOs since '00, heard all the reasons *shrug* It's an MMO, not MMO-in-a-party. You're all just funny NPCs with less spellchecked dialogue =P

[Doug]

Автор сообщения: Highly Heretical

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So if you don't mind always having a character that's overleveled entering with you (i.e. just want favour) it can work, but if you're trying for a bravery streak, it'd be...yeah.

Alternatively, have characters at a range of levels.

I do, in fact have a 2nd computer with a F2P account containing elite openers. I only set this up so my 1st and 2nd life toons on my Premium account can zerg low level content without worrying about an opener. I usually post an LFM and allow others to come along for the ride if they want. I don't bother to do this above about L8 quests (i.e. I start PUGging). I only have 2 openers (L3 and L7).

I don't solo everything and I don't run the toon on the F2P account to the quests. If your party contains an elite opener who can open because they have unlocked it (i.e. NOT a VIP), many quests don't require that toon to step in, and thus its level is relatively irrelevant (aside from the 'All members of your party must be high enough level'-type messages).

This is DDO tho, so there are exceptions. Collaborator, Kobold Assault, Gwylans, Bounty Hunter, Guard Duty (3BC) and a few other quests require the opener to.. well.. open (i.e. step in). And, any quest series requires the opener to run quest to quest to advance the storyline (Catacombs, Waterworks, even pt. 2 of Fire Caves and Garls in 3BC). Generally I skip or PUG those (since I'm doing 1st & 2nd lives, I'm not starving for XP). {Sometimes I HAVE run Catacombs and had the F2P toon run back and forth to advance the story (and step into quests) and the Premium toon just goes down a level and runs the next quest.. no end reward for the Premium, but Catacombs doesn't have any good ones anyway. I only bother because the quest-to-quest run is so trivial for the Premium toon.}

I'm specifically doing this to blitz, so running 2 toons to every quest just isn't of interest to me.

I guess even though this is a rather esoteric workaround that wouldn't work for everyone, it does qualify as allowing Elite opens for free on 1st & 2nd lives. OTOH, I'm pretty sure I forgot a VIP perk or two that you can't fake, so it probably balances out. :)

[Doug]

Автор сообщения: 2$hort

DDO use to be a great game: but every update has become even more disappointed with every update.

Frankly i'd rather spend my time with other games: specially with next gen Gameing : DDO is out dated:

DDO is not worth the Subscription any more:

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but specifics as to what you have found disappointing and/or outdated would make this post relevant to this thread (which it currently isn't).

[Doug]

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Автор сообщения: Highly Heretical

Alternatively, have characters at a range of levels.

Oh, I'm aware it's possible, but to NOT interfere with a bravery streak, it'd require 10 characters (every even number up to 20), unless you level them, which then prevents their use for the next trip through. Well, likely not that many, you'd just need to figure which levels have quests with special qualifiers to enter. I'm just saying it's a pain in the tush.

Researching what levels would be required to get you working openers all the way to L20 (or beyond) would be onerous as hell: you'd have to plan to use them on a lot of toons (or just go with the every 3 levels-type progression and possibly build one or two more toons than would be optimum). Even an avid soloer would probably be better off to bite the bullet and PUG two lives per toon.

Levelling my two openers on my F2P account felt like a huge time investment as it was, though the TP they farmed did buy me a couple of low level packs to use them in. :)

Still, by setting myself up to have openers up to L8 quests, I can easily elite-farm TP on a new toon if I ever so desire. (These days, if I'm farming TP, it's on Bladeforged 13sorc/2pal toons.. it's sooo quick and easy. Leveling the toon feels like the biggest time investment.. which encourages me to do more than a 100 favor farm per toon. These are also my bank toons. I farm Coin Lord and House K favor on them to open the additonal bank and inventory slots).

Автор сообщения: 殺してあげる

If they sold 'Open on Elite' as a permenant thing in the store, I'd do it.

I've bemoaned that exact lack more than once in-game. Single-use elite opens .. if you have enough $$ to buy the TP for that, you'd be better off to go VIP that month; it would probably cost less.

[2$hort]

Автор сообщения: Doug

Автор сообщения: 2$hort

DDO use to be a great game: but every update has become even more disappointed with every update.

Frankly i'd rather spend my time with other games: specially with next gen Gameing : DDO is out dated:

DDO is not worth the Subscription any more:

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but specifics as to what you have found disappointing and/or outdated would make this post relevant to this thread (which it currently isn't).

The big one is : AI DDO believe that challenges isn't AI but Just swarms of creatures or 1 mobs with 350k HP's --- Thats not fun or challenging

Really Compare DDO Graphics to new games - Out dated-

Just my 2 cents, put alot of time and money into a company that puts out junk updates, cut and paste maps, Same old crap AI -

A game that has little or no LFM's anymore for epic content, Vale runs are becoming rare, and frankly waiting 30min just to fill a grp to run an EE run.

There are way better games to play today -
Shadow of M -
SC:GO -
SR3
Saints Row 4, the graphics are amazing.
Alien isolation: Stunning Graphics and The hardest AI i ever went up against on easy-
Team fortress 2 Really good Free 2 play from what i read on reviews
I could Go on and on but why bother.

But 1 less Vip and the last of remain VIP's who started my guild early this year - 10 all together and every new player i iever invited stop playing after maybe a month even after help 25% of them hit level 20 on f2p accounts. What is the point at throwing good money into a game that they can't even get ladders to work properly.

The new and improved Hires is a joke and are even worse - THEY STILL can't HEAL them SELVES

Necro Epic is nothing new or ground breaking same old crap with a bow on it/spin

Shadomage is retired from DDO- since you can't sell acounts he may caome out of retirement.

Oh yea try and manually remove your CC info from turbine you can't have to call and deal with thier crappy Customer service. *never have i seen that before playing MMORPG's*

[Raging Twilek]

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Автор сообщения: Ashoka Tano

you want to see a real free to play game... check out Path of Exile. real free to play. none of these lies u get here

Автор сообщения: Ashoka Tano

no game mech affecting micro transaction unlkike this pos liar game,. buy ur xp mounts n quests while some of us play totaly free and unlimited games like PoE. pay to win ddo so sad.

And, of course, on the topic of 'lies', it would be a good idea if your information were accurate. DDO has no mounts and therefore no paid mounts.

yet u cant deny the others hahaha. typical pay to win fan boy.