Update the graphics if you want to attract new players SSG

[neuronfly]

They updated LOTRO graphics but ignores DDO. This is not a good sign by the devs. Its clear they don't care about this game. The graphics of this game nowadays looks like potato and the devs do nothing. They updated LOTRO graphics but does nothing for DDO.

And with the upcoming Baldur's Gate 3, D&D is getting a lot of attention from the media and the public lately. You think SSG would be smart enough to capitalize on this or are they just dumb and do nothing.

[neuronfly]

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Right now D&D is getting a lot of attention and hype because of the announcement of Baldur's Gate 3. Why SSG don't take advantage of this situation?

the problem is Standing stone games only has so much money since the left turbine. not to mention there is also wizards of the coast who license all their content to DDO. Wizards doesn't exactly back ddo either. if they did we would have a lot more advertising for the game. they tend to push neverwinter nights more then ddo.

understand i'm not trying to make excuses or anything but since ddo is trying to stay true to pnp as much as possible in a mmo perspective they still have to follow some rules. its why they have to get the ok from wizards on what to do. i have no idea how far road map is planned. people always ask about graphics even in the main forums. it also has been answered as well. if there is ever is an upgrade it will take a lot of time since the engine is different then lotro. if it was the same then it would become easier to move some of the changes over. not saying it would be an easy job either. there is a lot of things that can go wrong from it.

DDO's graphics look like potato... very outdated and ugly graphics. Thats why many people don't play this game. When I first started this game and looked at the character creation screen I was horrified by how ugly this game is.

[Soap]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από neuronfly:

DDO's graphics look like potato... very outdated and ugly graphics. Thats why many people don't play this game. When I first started this game and looked at the character creation screen I was horrified by how ugly this game is.

That's just how MMO's work. The reason to play an MMO like DDO is to have a game you can play for many years because they will keep adding quests. So you can keep developing the same character for many years and play with your friends for a long time. That's why DDO has been around for so long...the reason has never been graphics.

There are a lot of games that have new graphics that no one wants to play....and games that never had very good graphics but are really popular like the first Sims game, Minecraft, and Terraria. If you only want to play game's with new graphics then you shouldn't play any that are more than 2 years old. But then maybe your friends don't want to play the same games as you do and you have to play by yourself.

[Taebrythn]

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the problem is Standing stone games only has so much money since the left turbine. not to mention there is also wizards of the coast who license all their content to DDO. Wizards doesn't exactly back ddo either. if they did we would have a lot more advertising for the game. they tend to push neverwinter nights more then ddo.

understand i'm not trying to make excuses or anything but since ddo is trying to stay true to pnp as much as possible in a mmo perspective they still have to follow some rules. its why they have to get the ok from wizards on what to do. i have no idea how far road map is planned. people always ask about graphics even in the main forums. it also has been answered as well. if there is ever is an upgrade it will take a lot of time since the engine is different then lotro. if it was the same then it would become easier to move some of the changes over. not saying it would be an easy job either. there is a lot of things that can go wrong from it.

DDO's graphics look like potato... very outdated and ugly graphics. Thats why many people don't play this game. When I first started this game and looked at the character creation screen I was horrified by how ugly this game is.

except graphics don't always mean a game is good. minecraft for example sure isn't about the graphics and for a very long time made money. same with ddo. what keeps it going is what they have been doing and some of the choices they made. some bad as well. leaving turbine was good because they only cared about the mobile market.

[LexCondran]

who cares about graphics, what about content, fun, and gameplay?

[Doug]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από neuronfly:

DDO's graphics look like potato... very outdated and ugly graphics. Thats why many people don't play this game. When I first started this game and looked at the character creation screen I was horrified by how ugly this game is.

Ignoring the potato in the room... So you've been doing surveys as to why people don't play DDO? Or is it just why YOU don't?

And you overlook the question of why anyone should care. People for whom the newest graphics are the most important thing are unlikely to like DDO anyway. DDO requires an investment in time to learn and develop a character. People so taken by appearance that it's sufficient to keep them from playing are unlikely to be of the type willing to do that. And those who flit from game to game are of no real value to a game like DDO that's been around over a decade.

[Taebrythn]

@doug is absolutely right. there are tons of old games which helped start a lot of genres or put gaming on the map. there are so many standout titles pc and console. ff7 for example was one of them and still today its a very popular game. things like anthem or fortnite etc won't last. anthem is already dying. fortnite just took a hit.

its not about the graphics but everything else. Can graphics help sell a game sure, but if the person is just going off that then they would of probably not liked the game because their mind is only set on one thing. how it looks.

[The Pants]

I think DDO's only real weakness is that it looks like ♥♥♥♥. I'm not being mean here, it's a 2006 game that hasn't had a graphical rework, and it shows. It's impossible to tell the boundries on a lot of abilities because their animations don't match their effect size, cool flavorful actions like Shadow Daggers look generic because of the lack of a good animation for them, and even though this is a game that spans like 4 planes of existence everything looks like it's outta the 3rd edition player's handbook. Updated graphics and animations would be a real blessing, but that's not easy, especially on an old game like this with a custom engine. Still, DDO is far from being abandoned, they've done nothing but add to and improve the game. You wanna see a game that's sinking, look at Neverwinter, which just took out it's most interesting feature and made all the classes LESS interesting. DDO is a vibrant cult hit, and there's nothing like it out there.

It'd be nice if they did a graphics rework and made it look as good as games made like 5 years ago. But the fact that they haven't isn't evidence that they're ignoring it, it's evidence it's hard.

[Morbidly Majestic]

This thread has made it very clear how many people have 0 concept of have much development cost.

Just update the game dude, it's not that hard...This other game did it why can't you ..You clearly don't care about the game since you won't update the graphics ....

[Exothermically Eclectic]

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This thread has made it very clear how many people have 0 concept of have much development cost.

... One?

[neuronfly]

I am a businessman and I know one important thing in every business including the gaming industry is that 'For your business to be successful first you have to invest in your own product and only then will consumers be interested in your product'.

But its clear that SSG does not have good marketing and finance people to make their business decisions. I guarantee that when Baldur's Gate 3 will be released it will sell millions of copies but nobody will mention about this game let alone play because SSG refuse to invest in their own products.

[The Pants]

Invest, sure man. But you do what you can. DDO is a game that came out in 2006, running on a custom engine because it's MMO action combat was something no other game would try for years to come. It's simply not easy to make it look better. I'd love it if they did, but it's not a simple thing.

[Doug]

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I am a businessman and I know one important thing in every business including the gaming industry is that 'For your business to be successful first you have to invest in your own product and only then will consumers be interested in your product'.

If you're a businessman then you should know the concept of ROI. DDO has been around for ages. There's no guarantee that investing in better graphics would increase sales enough to matter. And the more expensive that investment, the lower the likelihood. At the same time, the odds that making the attempt breaks the game in some fashion that loses them customers must also be considered. And, of course, updating the graphics on a game receiving multiple updates a year to its content is aiming at a moving target.

And I'll wager that they know better than you or I about all of that, because if you think they haven't considered it and studied the possibility, you're even more naive than your posts suggest.

[Soap]

@neuronfly

You're just editorializing. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, but that's all it is. Correlation isn't causation. If you can't differentiate between the two in business--you're going to have a lot of problems.

Though no data has been presented, it's perhaps--plausible that SSG sees the same need to improve graphics that you do; but even in that scenario, that doesn't automatically make it a good business decision. At some point on the spectrum of economics the question of improving graphics changes to building DDO 2 instead.

[Taebrythn]

i do agree people think SSG hasn't even considered this when Severlin has been asked this so many times. he has addressed it as well. that is the ignorant thinking process as well. as i keep mentioning to people this game left turbine and so far hasn't died. Ravenloft was a success. Sharn i'm not sure about because i haven't been in the game so much to see what people think of the xpac.

they have talked about wanting to do that but it NOT and easy quick process. even then do you really think graphics is what makes a game? lol now that is a funny concept. a game can have the best stuff and be garbage. I mean look at anthem. geez look at how quickly that game fell.

[AdZaim]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από neuronfly:

They updated LOTRO graphics but ignores DDO. This is not a good sign by the devs. Its clear they don't care about this game. The graphics of this game nowadays looks like potato and the devs do nothing. They updated LOTRO graphics but does nothing for DDO.

And with the upcoming Baldur's Gate 3, D&D is getting a lot of attention from the media and the public lately. You think SSG would be smart enough to capitalize on this or are they just dumb and do nothing.

Agree!
play since 2015, download yesterday again, same graphic.
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a great game with old (poor) graphic.