The in's and out's of Reincarnation

[Xoth]

First lifer just looking to gain a total understanding of how reincarnations work, from what i've learned so far Heroic & Racial offer two 'different' priorities in how to minmax, and i am unsure what the benefits are for going epic are instead. I also understand that reincarnations can stack(?) multiple times, does this have a cap with point builds? Also, how does the stack effect Feats and Racial Bonus Feats?

TL;DR Looking to optimize/minmax a Dragonborn Barbarian to it's highest potential with reincarnation, wat do?

[Taebrythn]

https://ddowiki.com/page/Reincarnation


this will answer a lot of questions you have. so yes there is a cap of 3x per past life. so this applies to racial, iconic, epic and true reincarnations.

[Xoth]

I see, so the overall stacking cap on reincarnation bonuses is 3?

[Taebrythn]

Originally posted by Blue Eyes White Privilege:

I see, so the overall stacking cap on reincarnation bonuses is 3?

correct. so if you focus on one toon and finish a lot of lives it can really add up on that one.

[Doug]

Each heroic (non-Iconic) life, you have to decide whether to choose the Class reincarnation or the Racial one. In addition, there are Iconic and Epic reincarnations. To complicate matters slightly, the latter two take place at L30, whereas the former can happen any time after you hit L20. And if you do an Epic reincarnation, you can immediately follow it with a Racial or Class reincarnation. The EFFECTS (active &/or passive past life feats) of every reincarnation stack up to 3x (Which is to say, you can do more than that, they just won't increase your toon's power in any way.).

If you do Class reincarnations 1x as every Class in the game, you get access to the Completionist feat. It uses a feat slot and gives +2 to every stat and skill. (Continuing to 3x for every class is called 'Triple Completionist' but it doesn't buy you anything additional except for the aggregate effects of all the stacked past lives themselves.)

If you do Racial reincarnations 3x as every (non-Iconic) race in the game, you get an auto-granted (at L3, I believe) feat called Racial Completionist that doesn't require a feat slot and has the same effects as the standard Completionist feat (+2 to all stats and skills) and stacks with it.

Your very first two Racial and/or Class reincarnations increase your stat points for every life thereafter, the first time to 34 point builds and the second to 36 point builds.

The only aggregate effect of doing multiple Epic reincarnations is that you can earn one additional Twist of Fate slot if you've ETRed 3x in each of the four spheres (Divine, Martial, Primal, and Arcane).

Iconic TRs have no aggregate effect.

[Doug]

There are some gotchas. For example, you can have multiple epic past life 'Stances' active at one time, BUT only one from each sphere. But those are advanced concepts. Still, when stacking Epic past lives, it may behoove one to take the same one 3x in each sphere before branching out.

[Tiger]

TY! Just wow, ty

[Doug]

Originally posted by Poppiplayer:

TY! Just wow, ty

Sequencing lives is fascinating. For example, with class lives, they breakdown pretty solidly into caster and combat lives. Do you do one of all 14 first, to get Completionist, or do you do all the caster lives separate from all the combat lives so that you more quickly stack relevant past life passive feats? Do you go for Triple Completionist or Racial Completionist first? Where do you fit Epic lives and Iconic lives into the pattern. Then when you add Epic Destinines and the unlocking of Spheres, even more questions arise.

Everyone answers them differently.

[Taebrythn]

i like doing a few of the same at one time then break it up with a different type.

[Xoth]

Thanks man, i appreciate all of the help

[Tiger]

so its probably no fun Just staying the same Class and Race?

[Doug]

Originally posted by Poppiplayer:

so its probably no fun Just staying the same Class and Race?

Nobody can answer that question for you. Some players like a change every life (I'm one of those). I know a few people who have farmed all their Racial lives using the same class. (In fact, I know one woman whose main and alt are BOTH the same class.) I know some who hated particular classes enough that they bought Otto's Boxes (inc 2 million XP stone) to largely skip them while still earning Completionist or Triple Completionist. The answers are as varied as the players.
(Otto's Box: https://ddowiki.com/page/Otto%27s_Irresistible_Box )

But at the very least, going for Completionist and trying every class for one life seems to me to be a good idea.

[Tiger]

Hmm. Ty Doug. I figure, of coarse, I'll start an alt here and there to experiment for class play exp. I have played other MMORPGs' diffy classes, just always been partial to wizardry. Ty for the link Its always nice to be able to move forward.

[Doug]

Originally posted by Poppiplayer:

Hmm. Ty Doug. I figure, of coarse, I'll start an alt here and there to experiment for class play exp. I have played other MMORPGs' diffy classes, just always been partial to wizardry. Ty for the link Its always nice to be able to move forward.

I just don't see the value in running an alt much, myself. Even if you're slow, a TR doesn't take terribly long. Using a life as an experience of each class is not too onerous.

[Tiger]

Nowa. Just playing it temporarily . I know how to cast and kite. I have not the skills to slash, dodge and block, err dodge, slash, then block. I do not wish to reincarnate to find out the choice was inauspicious. (don't laugh.. I looked it up. It's a real word!)

Well that was a waste.. I misunderstood what you said. Let me correct myself.
It would be a lot quicker not needing/wanting to run alts. An alternate toon keeps me from
having a class or race I do not enjoying playing.

Alts as well make good storage for me. I receive game items like XP, potions, caster sticks, and I like to be picky about clothing and my looks so I store them on alts. I guess an alts value exist to those who use them. C'mon, you can't think of 1 good reason to have an alt?

[Exothermically Eclectic]

He said running, not having. We've had this discussion (and others like it) on here before, Doug knows alts are valuable for storage space, that doesn't mean he plays with them. Personally I like to do so, but as DDO goes on it does become less and less an attractive playstyle.