Pretty Bold Prices for Ravenloft

[Rommell8]

The basic pack is 40 bucks.... and it goes up to 129.99 for Ravenloft ,with a bunch of stuff you don't really need.

The scarecrow is only good for opening levers or carrying your soulstone... everyone knows they add to the enemy CR rating, like any hireling or party member does(fyi ,if any don't know!)

They really need a test run price/for one run ..to see if you like the content (maybe for DDO points ,not cash) , since...
....most releases have been serious dissapointment, since original MOTU

Most games are 20- 40 dollars, for the whole game> no less one that is 10years dated and has a major , server population problem.

They must be tripping , thinking DDO s content worth the prices they charge.

I bought 95% of the dungeons I own /pay races /pay classes, On SALE ! or I would never have bough them.

The few with deep pockets that keep buying junk from DDO , need to cool it... and maybe the prices for everything would come down. The store is about 200%-400% overpriced on most of the consumables, in my opinion.

Vampires Never fight to the death> so it should be super hard to get the Vampire down,before it uses its powers to escape ...like invisability at will , or turn non corporeal .

good luck out there, whatever your decision

[殺してあげる]

Hehe we're currently looking at it going 'bawaah' as well.

That said, the 130$ isn't cosmetics entire...

: unlock some EP tree-few bucks
-free EP tome per char-few bucks per char
-iconic hero (10 bucks)
-shared storage (5$?)
- 60 day vip (20$)
-a char slot (few bucks)
-new race (ten bucks)
-perma hirelings (hard to put a price on, few bucks each?)

so that's over 60$ in non-cosmetic extras
4 adv packs at say 8 each?

92 out of 130 then...with ~40$ of cosmetic/fluff/consumables


Still '...wow'.

[My decision is at 'haha no' and 'maybe, if on sale, and I've 30 days to spent 30 million dollars]

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Hirelings do add, but last I checked they were weighted less than an actual player. Unsure if Gold Seal were weighted even less.

[zen]

As someone who's been on the fence about whether to spend more time and effort in DDO again, the expack pricing is a gigantic 'whaaaat?' and might finally result in the game being uninstalled from my hard drive after all these years.

It's a gigantic insult compared to the values offered by the prior expansion bundles...

[Rommell8]

Originally posted by 殺してあげる:

Hehe we're currently looking at it going 'bawaah' as well.

That said, the 130$ isn't cosmetics entire...

: unlock some EP tree-few bucks
-free EP tome per char-few bucks per char
-iconic hero (10 bucks)
-shared storage (5$?)
- 60 day vip (20$)
-a char slot (few bucks)
-new race (ten bucks)
-perma hirelings (hard to put a price on, few bucks each?)

so that's over 60$ in non-cosmetic extras
4 adv packs at say 8 each?

92 out of 130 then...with ~40$ of cosmetic/fluff/consumables


Still '...wow'.

[My decision is at 'haha no' and 'maybe, if on sale, and I've 30 days to spent 30 million dollars]

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good breakdown!
P.S. >if you really have 30 million to spend in amonth>I need a deep imaging scan of the left side of my face(costs about 3,000$) I got caught with a bad dermal ulcer with no insurance(health ins costs more tahn my mortgage!) Its a real dead zone legally , even though the hospital was at fault due to neglegence.

back to your previosly recorded program now/ srry 4 derail

[Kaivian]

P.S. >if you really have 30 million to spend in amonth>I need a deep imaging scan of the left side of my face(costs about 3,000$) I got caught with a bad dermal ulcer with no insurance(health ins costs more tahn my mortgage!) Its a real dead zone legally , even though the hospital was at fault due to neglegence.

back to your previosly recorded program now/ srry 4 derail

Go to another country to have it done. Healthcare in other countries is cheaper than this joke we have in the USA. Look into going to Mexico or Canada. Both places can take care of it.

[Rommell8]

Originally posted by blastedlabs:

P.S. >if you really have 30 million to spend in amonth>I need a deep imaging scan of the left side of my face(costs about 3,000$) I got caught with a bad dermal ulcer with no insurance(health ins costs more tahn my mortgage!) Its a real dead zone legally , even though the hospital was at fault due to neglegence.

back to your previosly recorded program now/ srry 4 derail

Go to another country to have it done. Healthcare in other countries is cheaper than this joke we have in the USA. Look into going to Mexico or Canada. Both places can take care of it.

Yea, i am considering> I was trolled by two diferent hospital orginizations for a long time,while hurting bad....so I missed to much work over the past years, to have any savings left for options.I just work when i am able, and seem stuck living check to check. It sounds logical to get the scan done outside the US, if it saves 1-2 thousand. You know life>save a thousand ,then your car breaks or some sh*t bill come up.

If any are curious> U S heathcare is driven by patient numbers>This is Obamacare
The hospitals get bigger subsidies from having more patients
so... they book as many as possible, and cure as few as they can; and treat only life /death stuff
It is their business to keep you comming back
it is their business to sell you drugs (yes i turned down Opioid scripts a few times)
doctors are informed immediately when a person is even suspected of taking legal action against
them;by the lawyers you called!
there are countless stories of hospitals mistreating/negligence , ruining peoples lives
permanently, and they get zero newstime . ..and getting away with it scott free.

good luck out there,stay healthy

[Rommell8]

Ravenloft package has alot of negative complaints on the main forum too! seems to be the worst pre release idea from ddo.

[Doug]

I'm with all of you on the pricing. I personally love the permanent hirelings, but I need cosmetics, pets, another character slot, cakes, rest shrines, etc. like a hole in the head.

I'm interested in:
The content
Aasimar race
The Iconic
Permanent hires (In wilderness areas, the scaling is what you want.. spawns more mobs for you to kill)
And maybe the Racial Point tome

Most of the rest is not just useless fluff to me; it will take up inventory space. The knife fighter tree is meh to me. I've only ever made one toon that fought with daggers.. and regretted it: Too small a hit box.

That being said, I'm pretty sure everything on my list will be available in the in-game store except (based on past history) the Gold Seal Hires.
So I think I'm just going to amass DDO Points and wait.

[Doug]

Anyone know what the mechanism to get to Ravenloft will be? I notice that the Ultimate Bundle includes "A Bottle of Mist: Teleport to Barovia!" which sounds suspiciously like the Key to the City of Eveningstar.

[Tessienne]

I didn't see anything about the Bottle of Mist being exclusive, so at least in theory, it might be something everyone can get through favor like the Key to Eveningstar.

Regarding the expansion pricing, the ultimate pack is only worth it if you really want the costumes. I wanted them so I bought it. If you don't care about the cosmetic stuff, then the ultimate pack is a terrible deal. Even though I bought the ultimate pack, it is obviously a bad deal compared to previous expansions. It should have been better imo.

They should have put some store points, or xp stones, or xp pots, or something in the ultimate pack to get more people interested in it. It worked for the other expansions. I'm not sure why they decided in Ravenloft to leave out stuff that EVERYBODY would use, like store points, and they put in cosmetic stuff that a lot of people don't care about instead.

Edit: Typo

[Kilriven]

Isn't the price and all the people hating on it very similar to Lotro's Mordor expansion?

[殺してあげる]

The issue isn't so much the price in and of itself..it's that the price is double the Underdark Collectors Expac, but feels like far less real content.

Underdark also had a class, multiple quest chains, perm hireling, cosmetics, consumables, tomes... but also had 2k of TP AND multiple previous adventure packs included (Phiarlan, Lordsmarch, both Inspired chains, VoN, Fens, Devils). It also included all the epic destiny stuff.

Shadowfell was a third the price (No CE), and only 2 adv packs, but had 4 iconics, 3 slots, cosmetic, consumables, tomes, and 2k points... with an seperate upgrade for more tomes/consumables/cosmetics and the hirelings.


At first blush it feels like Mists is a rip-off. A deeper-look reveals it not so much that, but still feeling the least of the previous expacs when comparing price-to-content.

[Rommell8]

DDO , has alot of explaining to do

they clearly are pricepointing , based on previous pack purchases> at the expense of the few
loyal players left (i am not one)

Are there even 100 people who login and actually play ddo, on each server????
If so we are looking at a whopping 800 people that play this game, separared by a huge wall
, called the servers.
I guess they need to sell for 129.$ to come close to 3/4 a million in sales?

People like D&D , and ddo could benefit so much more from that... but Combat is mired in awful DC numbers required to land spells n such.

Melee was cool for a short time/ that is over > players want to swing swords and axes, ddo never realized this mattered. Monk was fun , but is used as an archer for more serious adventuring. wtf ddo.

Another crafting system??? the last two released broke my will to play> if you don't jump in those raids when they are new, the become deader than a bloodless penis... And , who wants to build weapons from 10 different systems with all different ingrediants? So many craftings is one of the worst things ddo has done.

Back to price point> DDO sure dosen't realize , people would hang and buy these packs and play! if they weren't so greedy for our cash.

There are 15 differenet crafting areas besides Cannith Crafting at House K (i remember /maybe more).... they still charge full price for these .They are 5-8 years old ?I guess.. and totally useless items in most them(lootgen random is better now at low lvls,than crafting)oh add 1 more soon! Ravenlost!

You can buy old games for 1.99 -8.99 usually .
I am missing about 6 of the crafting areas (cost about 3500 ddo pts)
I already bought > Vale ,Gianthold ,thunderholm ,dreaming dark , shadowfell , motu ,epic
destinies ,necropolis upper , and a slew of others that have no crafting
^ those cost (guessing) 6000 ddo pts+? , and cash for Shadowfell i think i spent 50-60 $ on it

So this 10 year old game ,with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ combat system , can cost an interested person an easy 10k ddo points , without any premium races or classes (except broken bladforge or the Dune stolen named skin piercers)
^ and then you need to find some people to run with! haha, its a small crowd

ViP is kinda a skunk; it allows alot of content, but not all..100 bucks a year(not a bad deal but don't expect everything)

Then every release you need to pony up another 40 bucks..DLC is not usually that expensive(and that is the cheap price pack for ddo)

Maybe the need to look at Star Trek for ideas/ that game releases everything to everyone for free.. and its population really appreciates it; buying mass quantities from the store. Their glitch is you must buy most starships...but that can be done without spending cash, slowly) They offer a lifetime subscription for $ 300/ $200 on sale.
They also use reputation powers that are like skill trees , but everone can pick any of them, mix and match. Quite evenly built , many many combinations work well in combat.

i still log for nastalgia and run 1-2 old dungeons ,is about it in ddo
Good Luck DDO

[Doug]

Originally posted by Rommell8:

Are there even 100 people who login and actually play ddo, on each server????
If so we are looking at a whopping 800 people that play this game, separared by a huge wall
, called the servers.

Are you seriously contending you think there's only 100 people playing on each server? <smh> Talk about manufacturing data to suit your bias.

If I log in and go to the Who tab of the Social Panel at any given moment, I find far more than that.

[Doug]

Originally posted by Rommell8:

DDO , has alot of explaining to do
[... yadda, yadda, yadda....]

Look. Some of what you present is true, but your negative slant on it gets tiresome.

Crafting: Sure. Lots of crafting systems. Some not currently producing competitive gear. So? If you don't like the crafting system or the gear it produces, don't use it. At this point, it would cost time and money to remove them, and you can bet SOMEONE would scream about losing some specific piece of gear. On the positive perspective, it allows massive levels of customization and fosters replay to farm specific ingredients. What's so terrible about that?

Pricing on this expansion: I even agree with you on this. But they've already promised it will be available for DDO points next year, which means it can be earned if one wishes. And it will undoubtedly eventually go on sale for those who don't feel the need to be 'early adopters.'

Pricing generally: Yep. You can spend almost unlimted DDO points buying everything you might desire. That's why I've been recommending VIP for some years now, even though I myself am Premium. Every year there's more stuff to buy before you have the VIP experience. But to suggest that if all prices were lower, more people would buy is nonsense unsupported by even a smidgen of economics knowledge. Some people will never pay. Some will pay what others consider ridiculous just to keep on top of their favorite game. Some will be price-conscious. I have no idea how DDO's players fall out on those scales. We already have one commentator in this thread who has bought the Ultimate package for $129. simply to get the cosmetic items. What YOU consider value isn't universal.

How melee and spell DCs and combat system make it into this discussion, I don't even know.. except that you are deliberately seeking every possible opportunity to get on your soapbox and say how much you don't like DDO. We get it. You don't like it. So go away. How hard is that?

[philipsavory]

I bought the collector's edition mainly for the cat*. Please don't hate me.

*The new quests and wilderness area were also a consideration.