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The part about being the President was essential, because it was part of the overarching joke.
The joke is that despite the leader of the Saints being an absolute sociopath and sometimes incompetent, he always finds ways to get what he wants and to ascend in power. It keeps coming up throughout the game that in his earlier days, he was mute because he was so afraid, but when he hit his stride there was no stopping him. However, he's often underestimated despite all that.
The joke comes up again when Zinyak kidnaps Johnny Gat, believing that Johnny is the only person capable of defeating him, and that the boss's success is all down to the Gat. That didn't really turn out to be the case. Then we have Benjamin King's inflated ego, and his belief that without him, the boss wouldn't have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ anywhere, yet Benjamin played a very minor role in the story.
It all comes to a head when the boss finally sits in Zinyak's throne (which isn't a spoiler because they keep showing it throughout the story), and everyone is actually surprised that it happened. No one quite understands why the boss is so successful, or how he's able to do what he does. There are citations of deus ex machina, and self aware breakages of the forth wall which hint at the truth of it: The boss is who he is because reality is a game, and he's the player's avatar.
This even goes so far as to be hinted at in Benjamin King's audio logs. He likes using the word 'playa,' but he doesn't use it at all in the context of gang-speak, but rather more in the vein of 'Player 1.' That's very much intentional for the reasons I just explained; King is speaking more to the player by doing so.
Essentially, to sum it up? Saints Row IV is a game about games. It's a clever joke documentary about the history of gaming. Where it was, where it is, and where it's going.
It fulfils that purpose with aplomb.
I guess my question is, if I didn't care for Saints Row III will this title be a different experience?
Saints Row 3 is the superior game by far. It put you in a new game world with fun and interesting missions.
Saints Row 4 simply rehashes the same game world but doesn't make up for it with a fun or interesting storyline. If you didn't like the humor in SR3, it'll just get more meta and annoying in this one. Fun superpowers though.
I suppose there has to be a difference because whilst I enjoyed Saints Row: The Third, I never completed it, I just goofed around in it. I found Saints Row IV so engaging to me though that I couldn't keep myself away. It's hard to describe it because there have been a few games like that, but Saints Row IV to me felt kind of like the symbiosis a good product is meant to be. It leeches money away from me, but in return it provides me with entertainment. The entertainment I felt from Saints Row IV though was so profound that I wanted to keep feeding it money. And if I were in a better financial situation, I probably would have bought all of the DLC just to show my support and to help keep Volition alive with my money.
That's my feelings, though, subjectively. Is it going to apply to you? What, intrinsically, makes Saints Row IV so different from its predecessor? For starters, it deals with different subject material entirely, it's tapping into a very different kind of audience. I think this is why it's received a certain degree of hatred, just as The Third did, because each game goes for a different audience. The third game was about contemporary gang culture and the cult of celebrity that surrounds it, which is mostly relevant to people who have some familiarity with the subject matter. The Saints Row games are always satirical in nature, so however much you connect with the topic at hand, that's how much you'll enjoy and be amused by the game.
Saints Row IV is about video games, it's about how they've evolved and their history, right up to what we see video games as now. It pokes fun at what games are in a very knowing way, and it's something of a love letter to our hobby. It's going to be most appreciated though by those who've paid the most attention, and those who've been here for the longest. Everything from the old Atari and the home computers, through the PlayStation era, up to now. It's all about video games. It evolves itself as well, starting off with a bit of a cheesy pastiche of Sci-Fi, as you'd expect with something from the '80s or '90s, but it becomes more and more human as it goes, with some of the best written dialogue I've had the pleasure of enjoying in a game.
As I said, it does this though without being po-faced and pretentious, all the while poking fun at everything about video games, even about itself. I can't reveal too much, but the kind of statements it makes, as jokes, are the kinds of things we're always thinking when we're playing games. When an overly serious game tries to brush something under the rug because of the disparity between game mechanics and plot, and how the two still don't mesh that well, we have to sigh, shake our heads, accept it, and move on. It deals with that.
It also acknowledges that the most important part of a video game is advocacy of of the player, to give the player more and more power, to encourage the player to use it. And just when you begin to feel like you've become too powerful, it'll throw you an interesting curveball, and then it'll give you new toys to play with. It knows that games tend to peter out towards the end, so they've generously built up a battery of fun toys for you to play with. And you'll keep getting ever more and more fun toys up to and including the end. At the end of the game, past the ending, they give you the most fun toy of all to screw around with in the sandbox world. Because they understand games, they see what some games are doing wrong, and they know what you want and what you're expecting.
Take something as hilariously, wonderfully, stupidly fun as:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nsBVDC-eV4]this
And then couple that with some of the most ingenious, clever, witty, and honestly intelligent content you've experienced. That's Saints Row IV.
If you've been with gaming from the start, not just from the newest generation, but you've seen it evolve and blossom, and you understand it, then... yeah. I think you're going to have a good time. It feels like Prototype done right, less po-faced, more clever and fun. It's the best super hero game since Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, and more.
But does that mean it's for you? It depends on how familiar you are with gaming, that's what it really comes down to. That's what every Saints Row game comes down to. Every game has its own audience. This is one for older gamers, who've seen it all, and who get what it's all about. That's what it is. That's what it parodies. That's what it loves.
I don't know if that helps you at all, but suffice it to say, it's as different from Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row: The Third as anything could be.
They reused the game world assets so that they could concentrate on the actual content. Saints Row 2 did the same thing. Interestingly, I've heard people say that Saints Row 2 is a better game than 1 for doing that, and that Saints Row IV is a worse game than The Third for doing that in the same breath.
It's just your biases at play. You prefer Saints Row: The Third because you're more connected with contemporary gaming and the gang-culture topics that The Third deals with.
That's exactly my point, see. You don't connect with the topics that Saints Row IV actually deals with. This is why I say that every Saints Row has its own demographic, and that fanbase will always state decisively that their Saints Row is the best.
When The Third came along, it dealt with a different set of topics than Saints Row 2. We still have people who'll claim without doubt that Saints Row 2 is the only good Saints Row game, and that both The Third and IV are trash.
It's a shame more people (including you) don't get this, and don't understand what it is that the Saints Row games have set out to do.
Exactly. The only reason you see it as too meta is because you're unfamiliar with the subject matter. You'd have people who loved Saints Row 2 who'd say the same about The Third. That's just the way of things when it comes to Saints Row.
It's not really that meta. It's honest, it's genuine, and it's very true to the topics it parodies. You're just not as familiar with that topic as I am. I'm guessing you haven't been a gamer for as long as I have. So you wouldn't exactly have much love for the history of gaming beyond the PS3 and the 360.
I'm not insulting you, here, I'm just pointing out that you have a different set of interests, and Saints Row IV is targeting people with interests closer to mine than yours.
As a final aside: Also, you really should buy games. You shouldn't pirate them. You're talking about Saints Row IV as though you've played it and it's not in your games list. So either you're a nasty pirate, or you're lying about having played the game?
I guess I'm compensating to a degree for all the negativity of those who just don't understand what it is that the Saints Row games have set out to accomplish, as it tends to go over the heads of those who haven't caught on, yet. That's a shame, and it leads to a lot of hate, because with a sequel you'll often have people who'll think that Game 4 must be Game 3 but with only minor differences.
Saints Row is a series where each game is radically different to the last, after all. I can't help but praise it! After so many damned Grand Theft Autos, Calls of Duty, and Assassin's Creeds doing hte same thing with every damned sequel... I'm tired and fed up of it. I've got franchisitis due to how much they tend to be milked.
I find it so refreshing to find someone not doing that. Is that wrong?
Yes, yes it does. It's only available via Steam for the PC market. Considering that you're posting here, and not on a console forum, I think that says everything it needs to.
You're incredibly bitter because you didn't think anyone would check and call you out.
What color is the sky in your world?
I'm posting here because I like the Steam discussions boards. See, your review is such a joke that the only thing you can do is claim I pirated the game (as if that even matters).
The game is also available on the Xbox 360 and PS3 by the way.
I'm aware of that, just as I'm aware of how weak of an excuse that is. I'm sorry, you're not fooling me. I doubt you're fooling anyone else, either.