How come everyone is falling for the curse, and by that i mean again?

[General Nuclear]

Fool us ones? shame on them, Fool us twice? shame on us.

This is literally the same curse from that of monkey island 2, i mean seriously people had to be told in the sequel (the curse of monkey island) that it was a curse, even though there was a ton of hints before hand.

Guybrush never learns his lesson, and never brings an anti-curse thingamajig before heading onto a dangerous cursed place, or messing with a dangerous cursed object.

[the-nug-king]

What curse are you talking about???

[General Nuclear]

Originally posted by the-nug-king:

What curse are you talking about???

The carnival curse of course.
There is so many people who are angry at the ending right now because they think the whole carnival twist was real, when in fact it was literally the same thing that happened at the end in monkey island 2, lechuck even said in the sequel at the curse of monkey island that the carnival gig was not the secret of the monkey island.

There are some who says that the curse of monkey island is not canonical, but then again thats where murray first appeared in, and we know that since murray plays a big part in this game that it is, which again means that the carnival twist is not real, and that Guybrush is trapped in yet another fake world.

[Zaxx]

Ron Gilbert didn't work on Curse of Monkey Island = Curse's interpretation of MI2's ending is not exactly valid here, only Return's.

[Joe_monsters]

There is no curse. This is not what the game is about.

[General Nuclear]

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Ron Gilbert didn't work on Curse of Monkey Island = Curse's interpretation of MI2's ending is not exactly valid here, only Return's.

People hated the Ml2's ending even more thought, But they loved the rest of the game, Except for the part about the monkey wrench, which was a region based word.

[General Nuclear]

Oh also i was wrong about murray, he was first seen in monkey island 2.

[mxd_]

This game takes place after every other monkey island game. Check the scrapbook. Everthing you do in Return is noted at the end of the book.

The real truth may be revealed in a future monkey island game. Or not.

[Joe_monsters]

Murray never was in Monkey 2, he first appeared in Curse.
Also some people love MI2’s ending. I think the opinions are split. It’s definitely not hated by a majority of people.

[[ZW] Ayanami]

At least MI2 has a showdown. With MI6, Ron just decided to abruptly end the story before resolving anything. It's been weeks, and I'm still mad.

[GAMING_Alligator]

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Ron Gilbert didn't work on Curse of Monkey Island = Curse's interpretation of MI2's ending is not exactly valid here, only Return's.

Just because he didn't work on it doesn't mean it's not valid. He's said on record he considers all games to be canon.

[BaronHaynes]

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Ron Gilbert didn't work on Curse of Monkey Island = Curse's interpretation of MI2's ending is not exactly valid here, only Return's.

Return opens by revealing that MI2's ending was Boybrush and Chuckie making stuff up to amuse themselves. When Guybrush hears this, he says "You guys always make up the weirdest stuff for the ending of that story" -- so his version of it is different, i.e. what leads into Curse. Ron recontextualized his own ending.

What the rest of the game reveals is that every Monkey Island game thus far is Guybrush telling stories to his kid, and we don't know what's real or what's exaggeration. Since we'll never know which details are accurate, if any are, each individual game is as canon as you want it to be, and the inconsistencies between them are just the storyteller changing things.

[Zaxx]

Originally posted by BaronHaynes:

Originally posted by Zaxx:

Ron Gilbert didn't work on Curse of Monkey Island = Curse's interpretation of MI2's ending is not exactly valid here, only Return's.

Return opens by revealing that MI2's ending was Boybrush and Chuckie making stuff up to amuse themselves. When Guybrush hears this, he says "You guys always make up the weirdest stuff for the ending of that story" -- so his version of it is different, i.e. what leads into Curse. Ron recontextualized his own ending.

What the rest of the game reveals is that every Monkey Island game thus far is Guybrush telling stories to his kid, and we don't know what's real or what's exaggeration. Since we'll never know which details are accurate, if any are, each individual game is as canon as you want it to be, and the inconsistencies between them are just the storyteller changing things.

That's fine by me, I didn't mean to say that Curse is not "canon" (I usually don't care about that stuff for any game) but rather what you should think of when you want to interpret this game's themes and ending.

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

The whole meta "storytelling is whatever you want it to be" theme of this game would fly in the face of the idea of non-canon games. There is no satisfying conclusion to the villains or treasure hunt, this is literally the only thing this game has holding it together. Ron admitting he has no great MI3a and the other games are just as good. Ron had his chance to deliver something new and amazing that Curse could never, and he failed. This game flat out admits that he is a unreliable narrator.

It is funny, I always thought Ron had some amazing story stashed away for MI3. He teased as much, for decades, using that lost game to cling to so much undeserved clout. In a way he participated in his own self-mythologizing, which is what makes the whole meta element of this game feel extra crummy. It feels hypocritical. He is mocking us for something he built up, to further his own career.

The truth is, he had no great story. Remember how he kept saying "Curse of Monkey is not how I would have done it" as if he had some great story stashed away? That was a lie. 4/5 of this game was just rehashing "The Secret of Monkey Island" all over again.

He never had a great follow up to MI2. That was always a self serving lie. And this meta twist, which is just him rehashing stuff he already did 30 years ago, is an attempt to distract from the hollowness of this exercise. The fact that he had to re-do the ending of MI2 in this and take out Chucky's glowing eyes only proves he is a liar.