Why the fanbase got a weird stance towards this game as time goes on?

[Ikagura]

In the early 2010's people were like "the comeback of the franchise finally!" then they were like "this game is not good" and started to defend games like Sonic 2006 or Unleashed (despite the flawed night sections of the game) even more.

This does not make sense.

[♪RL]

It's because this port is incredibly bad and fundamentally broken. So folk are telling others to dodge it. Doesn't help that they added denuvo as well which is laughable. There are reviews talking about the issues.

People are starting to look at Unleashed in a different light because people now have better ways to play it. Keep in mind a lot of people played it on the PS3, which had a whole slew of frame drops, long loading screens, and other issues. Now with emulation and the backwards compatibility (xbox series S and whatnot if memory serves) people are gaining a better appreciation for it.
People's mentality on Sonic 06 is also changing because of the port that was (and I believe still is) being worked on by ChaosX. It's actually surprisingly good.

[JustSomeLego]

Because the initial wave of "wow new sonic game" has worn off. As time passed, people realized colors is more 2d than 3d and even the 3d segments are weaker than what unleashed/gens did.

Not bad, but definitely middle of the road for boost sonic.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Because the initial wave of "wow new sonic game" has worn off. As time passed, people realized colors is more 2d than 3d and even the 3d segments are weaker than what unleashed/gens did.

Not bad, but definitely middle of the road for boost sonic.

Not to mention how this game (and Lost World) was originally designed to cater more to Mario fans than it was to traditional fans of the franchise. Funnily enough, I've been playing through both Super Mario Galaxy games again (the sequel came out the same year as Colours did) and despite also having 2D sections, those games had significantly more 3D than this!

At least Frontiers had a much better 2D/3D ratio than the more recent games.

[Cheese]

A good deal of the things people celebrated Colors for back in 2010 (reducing the cast to Sonic, Tails, and Eggman for the most part, not taking its story seriously, Eggman being the villain instead of some new god monster thing being the final boss, bringing back classic badniks, etc.) are things that the vast majority of Sonic games released since then have also done, so they have become passe, and many people have grown to loathe these things and miss what was thrown away.

I thought Colors was bad back in 2010 though. My opinion has never changed, so I can only speculate.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Because the initial wave of "wow new sonic game" has worn off. As time passed, people realized colors is more 2d than 3d and even the 3d segments are weaker than what unleashed/gens did.

Not bad, but definitely middle of the road for boost sonic.

Generations is like literally 50+% 2D and nobody bats an eye.


Sonic fans seems to have an aversion towards 2D it's strange.

[Ezodagrom]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Because the initial wave of "wow new sonic game" has worn off. As time passed, people realized colors is more 2d than 3d and even the 3d segments are weaker than what unleashed/gens did.

Not bad, but definitely middle of the road for boost sonic.

Generations is like literally 50+% 2D and nobody bats an eye.


Sonic fans seems to have an aversion towards 2D it's strange.

I don't think Sonic fans have an aversion to 2D, it's just that many of us want the 3D games to be primarily or even only 3D, and for the 2D games to be their own separate games (such as a Mania sequel).

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ezodagrom:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Generations is like literally 50+% 2D and nobody bats an eye.


Sonic fans seems to have an aversion towards 2D it's strange.

I don't think Sonic fans have an aversion to 2D, it's just that many of us want the 3D games to be primarily or even only 3D, and for the 2D games to be their own separate games (such as a Mania sequel).

Case in point, Sonic Colours - the DS game was fully 2D, yet the Wii version still had a lot of 2D sections in it anyway, so much so to the point where it may as well be a 2D game with 3D sections, to the disappointment of many fans such as myself that wanted that next big 3D game, especially coming from Unleashed which also had 2D sections but was much better balanced by having a lot more 3D gameplay with the werehog also being entirely 3D.

It's the same reason why people don't like Sonic Forces being full of 2D sections and an entire 2D play style when they wanted a 3D platformer, yet nobody minds it at all when Mania was entirely 2D; the game was made for those that wanted a 2D game like the original Mega Drive trilogy, and they got exactly that. That's one of the main reasons why Mania was praised and Forces wasn't - Mania understood its audience, whereas Forces did not.

[Sixtyfivekills]

I don't speak in the name of everyone, I disliked it from the very beginning for ruining what made this series special to me in the first place, characters.


Instead of having cheesy dialogue like other entries, it was pure cringe. I can't imagine anyone laughing out loud at the dialogue.

[JaroDK12]

Originally posted by ♪RL:

It's because this port is incredibly bad and fundamentally broken. So folk are telling others to dodge it. Doesn't help that they added denuvo as well which is laughable. There are reviews talking about the issues.

I agree, it’s mainly because it’s bad, perhaps rushed remaster. You’d have better time playing Wii version on Dolphin than this broken mess of a game. It’s not the worst game ever, however it’s meant to be best version of Colours hence why it’s called Ultimate and yet original still outshines it(unfortunately).

[supermichael]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by JustSomeLego:

Because the initial wave of "wow new sonic game" has worn off. As time passed, people realized colors is more 2d than 3d and even the 3d segments are weaker than what unleashed/gens did.

Not bad, but definitely middle of the road for boost sonic.

Generations is like literally 50+% 2D and nobody bats an eye.


Sonic fans seems to have an aversion towards 2D it's strange.

Maybe the problem is that Sega never make a full 100% 3D Sonic game. Sega does 2D 100%, but when it comes to 100% 3D that is a huge no.

Sonic Unleashed = 3D + 2D

Sonic Colors DS = 2D
Sonic Colors console = 3D + 2D

Sonic Generations 3DS = 2D
Sonic Generations console = 3D + 2D

Sonic Mania = 2D
Sonic Forces = 3D + 2D

Sonic Frontiers = 3D + 2D

Sonic 4 Episode 1 & 2 = 2D


See the huge difference? 2D can be 100% 2D, but 3D isn't allowed to be 100% 3D.

[ShriekViola]

Selective memory.

[Elvick]

where, other than that locked thread most people love Colors. The problem is Ultimate, not Colors.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Elvick:

where, other than that locked thread most people love Colors. The problem is Ultimate, not Colors.

The problem is both opinions on Colors shifting over time, and the remaster being garbage.
Much more so the remaster, but it's still both.

If anything, I feel like how terrible Ultimate is as a remaster has sort of protected Colors from being reevaluated by players, since someone might have less fun replaying the game through Ultimate than they remember having 12 years ago with the original, and attribute that to the miserable remaster, even in cases where the original game being thoroughly mediocre is actually to blame.
So like, instead of "huh, this isn't as good as I remember. ...maybe Sonic Colors isn't actually that good" the reaction is "huh, this isn't as good as I remember. must be the remaster."

Originally posted by supermichael:

Sonic Frontiers = 3D + 2D

Ehhh, I dunno... while technically true, it feels very wrong for Sonic Frontiers to be something like 95% 3D, and Sonic Colors to be something like 10% 3D (that 3D being almost entirely linear hallways), and for them both to be described as "3D + 2D" as if they are equal in any way in this regard.

[JustSomeLego]

To be fair, 2D Sonic isn't inherently bad and an instant red flag. Games like Rush have shown that 2D boost can work.

The problem with Color's 2D segments is that they rely too much on 1 gimmick (hit button for lasers to slowly spin, dodge the same ball that shoots clockwise in 8 directions, etc) and the stages don't last long enough for those gimmicks to be used in interesting ways.

Granted, this is the result of Sonic Team deciding to ditch the original plan of each world being 2 acts + boss (remants of which can still be found in the game files alongside obvious spots in stages where 2 acts used to meet and be stitched together) with some small side missions but that just makes the problem even more evident. These weren't supposed to take the place of a full level.

[Duckilous]

No one is ever saying that 2D Sonic is inherently bad... I mean that's what the beloved first Sonic games originally were. The issue is more so that Sonic Team wouldn't make a 100% 3D game anymore (probably another overcorrection because of Sonic 06...) or how 2D gameplay is often forced in a supposedly 3D game which fans have gotten tired over the years.