Dishonored
Iriath Zhul 2012 年 10 月 16 日 上午 5:05
Flooded District - Always getting detected?
I'm trying to do a no-detection, lethal playthrough. It's going well so far but on the Flooded District level, I always get detected. I don't know when or by who, but when I finish the level, the Ghost box is always unchecked.

I've played it three times now and can't for the life of me figure out what is seeing me. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe it has something to do with Granny Rags? (I've tried both options when I get to her place in the sewers, no luck.)
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gamertaboo 2016 年 8 月 16 日 下午 7:45 
引用自 cyberwiz97
引用自 gamertaboo
That's weird to me, why would you high chaos one mission and try to ghost the next?
When killing hostiles, I still prefer to remain undetected and get "Ghost (Never Detected)" checked, in the end of mission stats. Not unusual, really.
引用自 gamertaboo
The achievements for either are to finish the entire game either ghost or high chaos aren't they?
Well, we weren't talking about achievements but, if we were, killing enough enemies to rate high chaos would indeed negate the Ghost trophy. What we were discussing was the fact that, when playing high chaos, it's impossible to finish the Flooded District with "Ghost (Never Detected)" checked.
I know what we are talking about, but the entire thread has been about this one mission in order to get the achievment. I don't know, I just think it's weird to play high chaos one mission and sneaky the next.
cyberwiz97 2016 年 8 月 17 日 上午 3:04 
引用自 gamertaboo
I know what we are talking about, but the entire thread has been about this one mission in order to get the achievment.
If you read the entire thread, then you may recall, the OP begins his original comment with...

"I'm trying to do a no-detection, lethal playthrough. It's going well so far but on the Flooded District level, I always get detected. I don't know when or by who, but when I finish the level, the Ghost box is always unchecked."

He doesn't mention anything about achievements. He's only concered with the "Ghost (Never Detected)" checkbox NOT being checked.

There were a handful of posts about achievements, by people who mistakingly thought the discussion was about the Ghost achievement, as you did. However, the vast majority of the thread has actually been about playing the Flooded District in high chaos while never being detected ... in just that mission ... and NOT about achievements.

Does that clear it up for you?
引用自 gamertaboo
I just think it's weird to play high chaos one mission and sneaky the next.
You do understand, don't you, that high chaos and sneaky are not mutually exclusive? Killing hostiles doesn't mean you can't do it quietly and unseen (undetected).

Let me try to explain it this way ... Whatever I'm doing (in game), I like to do it without being noticed, whether I'm killing someone, avoiding obstacles or stealing loot. Kinda like a ghost ... quiet and unseen. I did a few playthroughs attempting to remain concealed and undetected while killing all hostiles in the mission ... in every mission. So have many other players. It's not really so weird, at all.
最后由 cyberwiz97 编辑于; 2016 年 8 月 17 日 上午 3:07
gamertaboo 2016 年 8 月 17 日 下午 9:51 
引用自 cyberwiz97
If you read the entire thread, then you may recall, the OP begins his original comment with...

"I'm trying to do a no-detection, lethal playthrough. It's going well so far but on the Flooded District level, I always get detected. I don't know when or by who, but when I finish the level, the Ghost box is always unchecked."

He doesn't mention anything about achievements. He's only concered with the "Ghost (Never Detected)" checkbox NOT being checked.

There were a handful of posts about achievements, by people who mistakingly thought the discussion was about the Ghost achievement, as you did. However, the vast majority of the thread has actually been about playing the Flooded District in high chaos while never being detected ... in just that mission ... and NOT about achievements.

Does that clear it up for you?
Jeezuss hyper much? The ONLY real reason to get irritated about NOT getting Ghost in a mission, is because it's stopping you from getting the achievement.

引用自 cyberwiz97
You do understand, don't you, that high chaos and sneaky are not mutually exclusive? Killing hostiles doesn't mean you can't do it quietly and unseen (undetected).

Let me try to explain it this way ... Whatever I'm doing (in game), I like to do it without being noticed, whether I'm killing someone, avoiding obstacles or stealing loot. Kinda like a ghost ... quiet and unseen. I did a few playthroughs attempting to remain concealed and undetected while killing all hostiles in the mission ... in every mission. So have many other players. It's not really so weird, at all.
That's obviously not what I meant and it's been like 6 months since I played this game last. I was remembering High Chaos as running around all Rambo-like not giving a crap, and not just for killing people. Yes, you can get High Chaos and Ghost, good for you. Here, you may have this. :2015cookie:

(it's stale)
cyberwiz97 2016 年 8 月 18 日 上午 3:25 
引用自 gamertaboo
Jeezuss hyper much?
:D Quite mellow, actually. How 'bout you?
引用自 gamertaboo
The ONLY real reason to get irritated about NOT getting Ghost in a mission, is because it's stopping you from getting the achievement.
No, NOT the ONLY reason, considering those of us who've already won the achievement, some time ago. :/

btw, keep your cookie. I already have a jar full.
So, I'm having the same problem as everyone else. I didn't do any side quests, so Granny Rags and Slackjaw aren't there (I wanted to beat the game fast and smashed through till The Flooded District then stopped because I was having a bad run that took nearly as long as the previous six missions.), so I then sneak under the weeper den, all good. No detects. But, no Ghost. I thought it may have happened at Greaves, nope. The battle music plays when I enter the area before the Rudshore Gate, and I get no Ghost.
I also now hate weepers more than rats.
cyberwiz97 2017 年 2 月 14 日 下午 2:10 
引用自 Bain
So, I'm having the same problem as everyone else. I didn't do any side quests, so Granny Rags and Slackjaw aren't there (I wanted to beat the game fast and smashed through till The Flooded District then stopped because I was having a bad run that took nearly as long as the previous six missions.), so I then sneak under the weeper den, all good. No detects. But, no Ghost. I thought it may have happened at Greaves, nope. The battle music plays when I enter the area before the Rudshore Gate, and I get no Ghost.
I also now hate weepers more than rats.
There's a bug when playing the Flooded District wih high chaos. Even though you were never detected, you will always get the battle music when leaving Daud's headquarters, thus preventing the Ghost box from being checked.

In the following video, I had finished mission 6 in high chaos but played the Flooded District with no kills, to minimize the risk of being detected. At 7:20, as I leave Daud's base, the battle music plays, even though I obviously was never detected by that point, nor afterward. Still, the Ghost box was not checked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7AAAfvKGXQ

stachenov 2017 年 7 月 2 日 上午 2:46 
引用自 Rayniac
Not enough times.
Well then, one more time! This time I have wonderful news, though: I've made it!

TL;DR: Stop time as soon as you enter the Gateward Tunnel, then quickly possess a rat, move away slightly, and wait until possession ends. Make sure the combat music is not played and you can save your game at any time (the save game menu item is not stricken out).

I've been doing a lethal ghost run and stuck at the same point as the OP. Thanks to this thread and lots of googling, I've made the following observations:

1. When you are detected, you can't save your game for a while: the save game item is stricken out in the menu.

2. When you enter the Gateward Tunnel on high chaos, when the combat music plays, you can't save your game while it is playing.

3. You can't be detected when time is stopped. However, stopping time after detection doesn't cancel it, obviously.

4. If you stop time immediately after entering the Gateward Tunnel, you can save your game, and the combat music is not played. However, once the effect ends, the music is played and you can't save your game for a while. Meaning, it's not an instant detection, it's a nigh-instant detection.

5. You can't be detected while possessing something or someone.

So I stopped time and then possessed a rat from a swarm that guards the nearby bone charm. Then I moved away slightly, so I wouldn't be in the middle of the swarm once possession ends. I don't know how long exactly do you have to wait to get rid of that detection, I waited for the mission objective to complete or for the possession to end, I'm not sure which. The good news is that it worked!

I don't think the whole Granny Rags conundrum matters at all, but in case if anyone curious, I dealt with it in the following way:

1. Enter the cave, run to the left and up the stairs. No sneaking at this point, but I'm not sure whether Granny saw me or not.

2. Take her cameo, open the furnace.

3. Put it inside the furnace, turn it on and then run and jump out the window. I even think she actually saw me in the process, but she was just ranting, without any detection marks, neither gray nor red. I think she doesn't enter the enemy mode instantly.

4. Hide next to the window and wait until she teleports away slightly and moans and groans.

5. Lean and headshot her. Probably bend time and blade would work even better, given all those useless potions lying around.

As for the gear retrieval part, I entered the refinery and left it through the building with the dead overseers, but I was very careful around it: sniped one or two whalers on the roofs. Maybe they were the ones watching the building and the bridge, so they didn't detect me. Anyway, there was neither any combat music nor detection markers at that point.

The only enemies I did not kill were the tallboys because it was easier to sneak around. I even got rid of all the weepers in the tenement building. And still got the ghost checked. The same tactics without that bend time and possession runaround did not give me the ghost on the previous two attempts, so I think that's exactly the reason of this annoying and subtle bug. Happy ghosting!
cyberwiz97 2017 年 7 月 2 日 下午 11:40 
@ stachenov

That IS a nice find.

引用自 stachenov
TL;DR: Stop time as soon as you enter the Gateward Tunnel, then quickly possess a rat, move away slightly, and wait until possession ends. Make sure the combat music is not played and you can save your game at any time (the save game menu item is not stricken out).
I did pretty much what you said and was pleased to find that it does work. A nice work-around.

I began mission 7 with high chaos and went through the Flooded Distrcit with no kills and no detections. Using your guidelines, I got both No Kills and Ghost checked.

Thanx muchly.

最后由 cyberwiz97 编辑于; 2017 年 7 月 3 日 上午 12:27
Iriath Zhul 2017 年 7 月 3 日 上午 5:51 
FINALLY it only took 5 years
StarZsCraz 2017 年 7 月 3 日 下午 9:23 
ñe
Zekiran 2017 年 7 月 3 日 下午 9:59 
Hah, grats then.
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