Non-Lethal, who does it apply to?

[iFrame]

So im going for the non-lethal approach, i know hounds, rats and other animals are excluded from this rule.
Other humanoids are included, like civilians, various NPCs, the citywatch, thugs.
But how about the assasins that were sent to kill you, are they included in the non-lethal rule thingy?
What other NPC am i missing out too?
Honestly i know no other way of knocking assasins out except for using sleep arrows because they ambush you and not the other way round. The arrows are precious and expensive >.>

Btw, just a side note, friggin irritated and annoyed with this chaos system in the game, it literally locks me out of a lot of fun aspects of the game if i wanna go low chaos, i literally cant use 3/4 of the abilites, skills, weapons in the game!!!!!! This is ridiculous!!!! This implementation is worse than Deus Ex Human Revolution...

[Pafti]

Fairly sure that only Rats and River Krusts are fair game, I wouldn't risk it with the Hounds.
The Assassins and any other Human being in Dunwall, are off the table.
It's called "Non-Lethal" for a reason.

You can choke assassins just like every other Human in the game.

The Chaos system makes perfect sense when you consider that almost none of the NPC's you encounter are actually bad people.
Especially the City Guard is just doing it's job, in their eyes you're a Traitor and the Murderer of their Empress.
Slaughtering them wouldn't be very helpful on your "Cleaning my name" Quest.
These Guys are also about dealing with the Rat Plague, if they're gone, Dunwall is pretty much doomed.

It's not like you can't kill anything during a Low Chaos run anyway, as long as you keep the majority of Dunwall's population alive.
You can't blame the game for choosing to let everyone live and then not getting to use any of the tools to kill people with.
That's like ordering a Salad and complaining that you don't get to eat a Pizza... f*cking order the Pizza then.

[Cricket]

just a confirmation, rats and krusts ARE fair game.

just a couple pieces of advice: be very careful how you treat unconscious bodies, touching water kills them, dropping them carelessly or throwing them can result in a death, also leave all bodies elevated/enclosed/whatever to keep rats from eating them. assassins really arent too bad as long as you carefully scan each area before moving out in the open (all the easier if you want to you dark vision). sleep darts can be extremely helpful, but you'll want to be careful how you use them. if you shoot a dart at an enemy on an incline, rail or ledge they have a nasty habit of falling to their deaths.

[iFrame]

Yea i didnt know there were so many rules on non lethal lol. I remember throwing unconscious bodies into water or they got attacked by rats(most annoying) or best, they fall off the ledge after being shot with the sleep dart.

I see, i can pre-empt assasin ambush and sleeper hold them.

[haggis25]

Hounds and hagfish don't count.

Weepers I don't think count. Maybe 90% sure. I remember some I knocked out getting eaten by rats and I got didn't kill anyone.

And you can kill people and still get low chaos. Just as long as you don't go crazy. Not sure what the limit is though.

[slayer557]

Sleep darts are youre friend in this case. Keep your eyes open for assassins and use the sleep darts from a distance. if you get detected, spam blink and youll lose them, and you can get behind them.

[Moon Punisher]

Honestly , i thought this was going to be hard , but once you let go from bodies found , which i heard does not count anyway , doing this + ghost is not that hard.

[Hut Kai]

Made the Clean Hands/Shadow walkthrough and had to redo 1 mission, beacuse I accidentally killed a hound, but I thought that it will not count. I can confirm a few things.

For the Clean Hands achievement :

DO NOT KILL hounds, guards, city watch, street thugs, assassins, civilian people, weepers, tallboys, overseers, assassination targets, Daud and Granny Rags.

YOU CAN KILL rats, fishes and river krusts.

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For the Shadow achievement :

DO NOT LET hounds, guards, city watch, street thugs, assassins, civilian people, weepers, tallboys, overseers, assassination targets, Daud, Granny Rags and Watchtowers SEE YOU.

YOU CAN LET rats, fishes and river krusts SEE YOU.

Hope this helps you, mate.
Have a great Christmas Holiday and keep on gaming!
Goodbye.

Yours Sincerely, Tom from Hungary.

[Day]

Originally posted by Hut Kai:

For the Clean Hands achievement :

DO NOT KILL hounds, guards, city watch, street thugs, assassins, civilian people, weepers, tallboys, overseers, assassination targets, Daud and Granny Rags.

YOU CAN KILL rats, fishes and river krusts.

---

For the Shadow achievement :

DO NOT LET hounds, guards, city watch, street thugs, assassins, civilian people, weepers, tallboys, overseers, assassination targets, Daud, Granny Rags and Watchtowers SEE YOU.

YOU CAN LET rats, fishes and river krusts SEE YOU.

nice summary

[Hut Kai]

Originally posted by Day:

Originally posted by Hut Kai:

For the Clean Hands achievement :

DO NOT KILL hounds, guards, city watch, street thugs, assassins, civilian people, weepers, tallboys, overseers, assassination targets, Daud and Granny Rags.

YOU CAN KILL rats, fishes and river krusts.

---

For the Shadow achievement :

DO NOT LET hounds, guards, city watch, street thugs, assassins, civilian people, weepers, tallboys, overseers, assassination targets, Daud, Granny Rags and Watchtowers SEE YOU.

YOU CAN LET rats, fishes and river krusts SEE YOU.

nice summary :beatmeat:

Well, since I'm a Forever alone type of dude, I have all the time, ohohoho.

[Bighomer]

is it ok to feed the rats with a dead body? :)

[Ase™]

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