bend time

[Dash3450]

i had a big question while playing dishonored last night on 360 do you guys think bend time stops time around the whole world or only in the small area your in?

[5M0k1N]

probably whole world why?
cant be that hard to check anyways

[Dash3450]

Originally posted by 5M0k1N:

probably whole world why?
cant be that hard to check anyways

idk i just find it amazing you are given powers to stop a whole entire world for a short bit(by world i mean like the entire globe btw not just the map your are in, like when you stop time time also stop in the other islands and the entire world)

[Pafti]

Originally posted by 5M0k1N:

probably whole world why?
cant be that hard to check anyways

Well in the game it obviously stops time everywhere, because it'd be rather difficult to have it any other way, and there'd be no point in going through the effort of coding something that doesn't actually affect the gameplay in any way.
In the story it could be like a time dilation field with limited range, but personally I like to believe that time isn't actually manipulated at all. I like the idea that Corvo and some of the other mark bearers are simply able to release themselves of the restrictions that time(and space) holds over other Mortals and thus move through it differently. It'd be more like a reality marble, which would be more reasonable when compared with the power scale of the other abilities.

I'm almost certainly wrong about this though, the ability is called "Bend Time", other mark bearers are immune to someone using Bend Time which indicates that Time is being manipulated and not the casters own body.

The likely answer is that Bend Time stops time everywhere, and that such a feat is possible because we are talking about Black Magic, the logic behind it doesn't have to be perfect for it to work. Dishonored is still primarily a game that needed you to be able to do cool stuff, how exactly the stuff works is not as important and therefore not perfectly explained.

[Dash3450]

Originally posted by SentoX:

Originally posted by 5M0k1N:

probably whole world why?
cant be that hard to check anyways

Well in the game it obviously stops time everywhere, because it'd be rather difficult to have it any other way, and there'd be no point in going through the effort of coding something that doesn't actually affect the gameplay in any way.
In the story it could be like a time dilation field with limited range, but personally I like to believe that time isn't actually manipulated at all. I like the idea that Corvo and some of the other mark bearers are simply able to release themselves of the restrictions that time(and space) holds over other Mortals and thus move through it differently. It'd be more like a reality marble, which would be more reasonable when compared with the power scale of the other abilities.

I'm almost certainly wrong about this though, the ability is called "Bend Time", other mark bearers are immune to someone using Bend Time which indicates that Time is being manipulated and not the casters own body.

The likely answer is that Bend Time stops time everywhere, and that such a feat is possible because we are talking about Black Magic, the logic behind it doesn't have to be perfect for it to work. Dishonored is still primarily a game that needed you to be able to do cool stuff, how exactly the stuff works is not as important and therefore not perfectly explained.

wow i love your explanation but yeah sadly i think the devs want the power to be to stop time

[Pafti]

I really would like for Dishonored II to have a more limited version of Bend Time that works more like a Time Dilation field of maybe 5-10 Meters around the caster, it would stay in place after casted and not affect Black Magic users. An Upgraded version would last longer and MAYBE move with the caster. It'd probably still be too strong, but you could get more creative about using it, and there would be more risks to consider because NPC's would notice weird stuff going on from the outside, even if they can't do much about it while the field is up.

That's asking for a whole lot of work though, the game would pretty much have to be designed around the ability because of all the aspects it would affect, and I'm not sure how many people would actually like it. Being able to flatout stop time for a limited time is way easier to do, way stronger, and maybe more fun for a lot of people.

[Dash3450]

Originally posted by SentoX:

I really would like for Dishonored II to have a more limited version of Bend Time that works more like a Time Dilation field of maybe 5-10 Meters around the caster, it would stay in place after casted and not affect Black Magic users. An Upgraded version would last longer and MAYBE move with the caster. It'd probably still be too strong, but you could get more creative about using it, and there would be more risks to consider because NPC's would notice weird stuff going on from the outside, even if they can't do much about it while the field is up.

That's asking for a whole lot of work though, the game would pretty much have to be designed around the ability because of all the aspects it would affect, and I'm not sure how many people would actually like it. Being able to flatout stop time for a limited time is way easier to do, way stronger, and maybe more fun for a lot of people.

im betting they might change some of the skills including bend time if they ever make a dishonored 2

[aqvarivs]

How would you be able to stop time only in a single area? The whole idea of stopping time so you can accomplish something is nonsense. Stop time and you stop even cellular functions which would probably kill everyone everywhere if it was even humanly possible to do. Best try not to put too much relativity into a fanciful game world. :D

[Pafti]

Originally posted by aqvarivs:

How would you be able to stop time only in a single area? The whole idea of stopping time so you can accomplish something is nonsense. Stop time and you stop even cellular functions which would probably kill everyone everywhere if it was even humanly possible to do. Best try not to put too much relativity into a fanciful game world. :D

But your relativity accounts for phenomenon that bend time. Black holes and travel at or near the speed of light for example. Magic is Magic and thus easily capable of the same or greater feats.
And stopping time wouldn't kill anything, it's stopping time, nothing is happening. Cells can't die because they are locked in the state they were in when time stopped. It's not like turning everything to stone, without time passing there is no more action or reaction.

[5M0k1N]

IMO its just corvo thats moving & thinking faster, not that the world is being slowed down lol

[aqvarivs]

@SentoX
Throw out your black hole downtown Paris, France and lets see if it's relative in downtown Cairo, Egypt or downtown Los Angeles, USA. We'll soon see who has a reaction. :)

Stop time you stop function and there is no science that states function would always restart with time. Consider you stop gravity. The entire process stops. Planets stop. Then expect that the instant time starts gravity will too and to the immediate extent as before? No jiggling in the planets or the stars? I don't think so. I couldn't say for sure but my mind doesn't leap to that expectation with any surety. The more complex the state the more it may all go sideways rather fast. :)

But giver a go and let me know how it turns out for ya. :)

[Pafti]

Originally posted by aqvarivs:

@SentoX
Throw out your black hole downtown Paris, France and lets see if it's relative in downtown Cairo, Egypt or downtown Los Angeles, USA. We'll soon see who has a reaction. :)

Stop time you stop function and there is no science that states function would always restart with time. Consider you stop gravity. The entire process stops. Planets stop. Then expect that the instant time starts gravity will too and to the immediate extent as before? No jiggling in the planets or the stars? I don't think so. I couldn't say for sure but my mind doesn't leap to that expectation with any surety. The more complex the state the more it may all go sideways rather fast. :)

But giver a go and let me know how it turns out for ya. :)

A Black hole doesn't stop time, it effectively slows down time the closer one gets to it, meaning there would of course still be action and reaction, Especially since it's all relative and people closer to the black hole wouldn't actually perceive time to flow differently, they'd be more concerned with the gravitational forces.

Why wouldn't things just continue after stopping and then resuming time? Everything is stuck in place, every bit of matter, and therefore energy, would cease to have any effect until time is resumed, at which point the same energy that kept things moving, would also be enough to continue to move things. There were no influences that would now require the use of more energy to achieve the same goals because everything was frozen in time.
Stopping time in context of this game could easily just be a way of simplifying the subject anyway, since Rank 1 Bend Time merely slows down time it would be safe to assume that Rank 2 does the same thing but by a larger factor, as to make it seem like time stopped when in reality it's just moving so slow that Corvo doesn't perceive it as continuing.

If gravity were to turn off completely in one instant, and set back in exactly the way it was before, in the same instance across the universe, then yes I think everything would continue as it was before. I have no reason to believe otherwise, if there was no effective change, then the result shouldn't change either.
Edit: Oh, obviously you would have to turn off the forces already applied by gravity at the same time for this to make any sense. If you only turn off gravity itself, then planets will continue to spin and the entire universe will be a mess because things just keep going without being held back by anything. Turning gravity back on after a delay would of course result in plenty of change, more depending on the extent of the delay.
Really you'd have to turn off all forces for this to be comparable because gravity is not the only force that moves things through space while time affects everything we are currently aware of.
Apples and Oranges, even if It doesn't work for one, that doesn't prove the other wouldn't work either.

It goes without saying that I didn't experiment to much with bending time myself either, so I can only make assumptions and don't want to come across as if I actually knew what I was talking about.

[Skelly Man]

My point is that perhaps when Corvo uses Bend Time, the world around him isn't really going slow, he's just moving at an insanely fast pace that not even time, nor the human eye can comprehend.

Also, if any of you have played the game Transistor, the main character in it, Red, has the ability to use Turn(), a command which when used, causes the world around her to freeze in place while she decides what moves and attacks she wants to use. When she's done with Turn(), time will start again and whatever actions she chose to do during Turn() are played in fast motion.

I would imagine Corvo's Bend Time power in Dishonored works similarly to Turn(), in which it speeds up the actual user of the power rather than slowing the world around them down to a snail's pace or complete stop.

[5M0k1N]

yea i always thought it was just corvo being faster not the world slowing down (which is kind of the same thing) but yea

[aqvarivs]

@sentoX
I didn't offer proof. I offered food for thought. Consider scientist have stopped a lot of hearts experimenting in heart mechanics. They didn't all restart as expected. Some didn't start, some went into ventricle fibrillation, some into atrial fibrillation, etc.. You might want to give it some careful consideration before you go around turning very complex systems off. Probably why we don't have any magical superpowers as humans. :D

[♕ BeReal ♡]

you should stop thinking about stuff.