Dishonored
FALLENV3GAS Jan 12, 2015 @ 8:58am
I hate samuel...
(NEVER KNEW THIS COULD HAPPEN)

So I went for a high chaos playthrough and by the start of the last mission samuel goes "I hate what you have become, no better then them. In fact I am going to shoot to alert them". (Around those lines). He ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ betrayed me again. But im glad it did not punish me for putting an arrow between his eyes.
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Pafti Jan 12, 2015 @ 11:38am 
He didn't betray you, he was never on "your" side to begin with.
Obviously you very much deserved to be betrayed though, you can't ask the man to just go along with you slaughtering your way through Dunwall...
Jarbler Jan 12, 2015 @ 11:50am 
Originally posted by SentoX:
He didn't betray you, he was never on "your" side to begin with.
Obviously you very much deserved to be betrayed though, you can't ask the man to just go along with you slaughtering your way through Dunwall...

why didnt he give corvo the full amount of poison then ?
Pafti Jan 12, 2015 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by Cubix:
Originally posted by SentoX:
He didn't betray you, he was never on "your" side to begin with.
Obviously you very much deserved to be betrayed though, you can't ask the man to just go along with you slaughtering your way through Dunwall...

why didnt he give corvo the full amount of poison then ?

Because he is not completely on the Loyalists side either, he is his own person with his own ideals.
He doesn't go along with them going bad ♥♥♥♥ crazy and poisoning you either, so he does the best he can to keep you alive without seriously endangering his own life.
Jarbler Jan 12, 2015 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by SentoX:
Originally posted by Cubix:

why didnt he give corvo the full amount of poison then ?

Because he is not completely on the Loyalists side either, he is his own person with his own ideals.
He doesn't go along with them going bad ♥♥♥♥ crazy and poisoning you either, so he does the best he can to keep you alive without seriously endangering his own life.

Yes true enough i suppose, but it does say that he also respects Corvo if you use the heart on him, if thats any reason to side with Corvo. Maybe it's Samuel that feels betrayed by Corvo's actions later on?
Last edited by Jarbler; Jan 12, 2015 @ 11:59am
Pafti Jan 12, 2015 @ 12:07pm 
Originally posted by Cubix:
Originally posted by SentoX:

Because he is not completely on the Loyalists side either, he is his own person with his own ideals.
He doesn't go along with them going bad ♥♥♥♥ crazy and poisoning you either, so he does the best he can to keep you alive without seriously endangering his own life.

Yes true enough i suppose, but it does say that he also respects Corvo if you use the heart on him, if thats any reason to side with Corvo.

Well yeah, that's before Corvo(in your playthrough) started murdering innocent people of the City Watch or even Civilians.
The heart would have said something different if it was designed around the idea to give you current information about the person, as it stands it really only tells you some lore that is at best relevant to when you meet the character. And even that only for the named characters, for everyone else it just randomly goes through a list of maybe 10 or 20 lines of text.

I wish they had done a bit more with the Heart, I really liked the idea behind the mechanic and the way it was part of the story.
aqvarivs Jan 13, 2015 @ 12:20am 
Originally posted by SentoX:
Originally posted by Cubix:

Yes true enough i suppose, but it does say that he also respects Corvo if you use the heart on him, if thats any reason to side with Corvo.

Well yeah, that's before Corvo(in your playthrough) started murdering innocent people of the City Watch or even Civilians.
The heart would have said something different if it was designed around the idea to give you current information about the person, as it stands it really only tells you some lore that is at best relevant to when you meet the character. And even that only for the named characters, for everyone else it just randomly goes through a list of maybe 10 or 20 lines of text.

I wish they had done a bit more with the Heart, I really liked the idea behind the mechanic and the way it was part of the story.

yeah, it would have been cool if you could have pointed the heart at certain watchmen and learned like they supported Corvo and would help him into a building, and then maybe point the heart at cetain survivors and learn about some stashed loot or weapons? Broaden the game value of the heart.
FALLENV3GAS Jan 13, 2015 @ 2:52am 
Originally posted by SentoX:
He didn't betray you, he was never on "your" side to begin with.
Obviously you very much deserved to be betrayed though, you can't ask the man to just go along with you slaughtering your way through Dunwall...
Yeah the only person who could get rid of Lord pento the one killing innocent civilians and throwing people out of their homes into slums and I am the bad person. No to mention the other three who betrayed you and would use emily as a pupet. Corvo was the lesser of two evils in my playthrough. To be honest the killing of guards is justified, they followed the wrong side and therefore they were also the people that betrayed you as much as the lord and the loyalists.
aqvarivs Jan 13, 2015 @ 6:21am 
Originally posted by XxFALLENV3GASxX:
Originally posted by SentoX:
He didn't betray you, he was never on "your" side to begin with.
Obviously you very much deserved to be betrayed though, you can't ask the man to just go along with you slaughtering your way through Dunwall...
Yeah the only person who could get rid of Lord pento the one killing innocent civilians and throwing people out of their homes into slums and I am the bad person. No to mention the other three who betrayed you and would use emily as a pupet. Corvo was the lesser of two evils in my playthrough. To be honest the killing of guards is justified, they followed the wrong side and therefore they were also the people that betrayed you as much as the lord and the loyalists.


I share your sentiments to the degree that I count the "guards" inside the grounds of my mission target buildings as foot soldiers for the Lord Regent [ or Daud ] and therefore can be killed with out a second thought. Especially the overseers. The watchmen and lessor guards who patrol the streets I count as just civil servant types doing a job and leave them alone. Killing weepers is Corvo's civic duty. If you are not killing weepers you're part of the spread of the plague. :-)

Samuel is a self-righteous prig. All chummy while the going is good, even encouraging Corvo to kill the Lord Regent. In the final mission [low chaos] he drones on about how Corvo lived up to his expectations, a boatman, a chauffer. pffft! Stuff his expectations. In the final mission [high chaos] Samuel turns on Corvo like all the rest. I shoot him in the head and watch the empty boat motor away.
LanguidJaguar Jan 13, 2015 @ 10:20am 
Samuel's actions are an emotional pushbutton that doesn't make logical sense. "I don't like that you go around killing people, so I'm going to summon the guards so you have to kill them."
Schrodinger's Fap Jan 13, 2015 @ 6:26pm 
i didnt actually care because it was funny when i just put a spring razor and they died. also to get high chaos "i mean real high choas" you have to kill 50% of the population or more.
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Daddy Kaneki Jan 13, 2015 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by XxFALLENV3GASxX:
To be honest the killing of guards is justified, they followed the wrong side

You are entirely wrong here.

The guards aren't following any side. Corvo was the Lord Protector, i.e. the City Watch's former boss/commander in chief. After he got framed, no one really knew who to believe, and if Corvo had the time to revisit old friends in the city watch without his mask on then I'm sure they would have understood.

Just because someone is in the way of your objective doesn't make their morals any worse than yours. They were guarding the Lord Regent because he's the Lord Regent, they didn't know the truth. They were guarding Sokolov because he's the Einstein of the era; they don't necessarily have to condone his work.

In my playthroughs I only kill the people who get in my way. Supernatural assassin with morals, but, still a supernatural assassin with no time (or will) to explain what he's doing or why he's there.

Games have conditioned you to think whatever's in your way is against you no matter what. In Dishonored, this is most definitely not the case.
Daddy Kaneki Jan 13, 2015 @ 8:02pm 
Originally posted by aqvarivs:
I share your sentiments to the degree that I count the "guards" inside the grounds of my mission target buildings as foot soldiers for the Lord Regent [ or Daud ] and therefore can be killed with out a second thought.

Guards are guards. They can be at the door or they can be 5 feet from the target; that still doesn't mean they are on their side morally or ethically or...really, in any way at all aside from being paid.

Originally posted by aqvarivs:
Killing weepers is Corvo's civic duty. If you are not killing weepers you're part of the spread of the plague.

Also wrong. If you save Piero and Sokolov, regardless of high or low chaos, they'll find a cure for the plague that can also work on weepers. So, technically, when you kill weepers, you're killing civilians.

Originally posted by aqvarivs:
Samuel is a self-righteous prig. All chummy while the going is good, even encouraging Corvo to kill the Lord Regent.

The Lord Regent is one of the few characters whom actually deserved to die. What I usually do is expose his lies AND kill him, so everyone knows he was bad and everyone knows he deserved to die. And this helps the general public get back on Corvo's side after things are over. Just because he tells you to kill someone who needs to die doesn't mean he's happy with you killing so many other innocent people.
Daddy Kaneki Jan 13, 2015 @ 8:05pm 
Originally posted by SentoX:
Well yeah, that's before Corvo(in your playthrough) started murdering innocent people of the City Watch or even Civilians.
The heart would have said something different if it was designed around the idea to give you current information about the person

Wrong. You can kill the City Watch guards in the prison before getting the Heart and she will still say the same things about Samuel. Arkane must have thought of that, but obviously kept it in. That's because despite what you're doing as a high chaos Corvo, he does still respect you. In fact, if he didn't respect you, then why does he get upset at you for all the death that you've caused? He gets upset at the end BECAUSE he respects Corvo, and is hurt by all the chaos he's caused to the city. If he didn't care about Corvo then he wouldn't have bothered lecturing him.
Pafti Jan 13, 2015 @ 8:27pm 
Originally posted by ?§ØREN?:
Originally posted by SentoX:
Well yeah, that's before Corvo(in your playthrough) started murdering innocent people of the City Watch or even Civilians.
The heart would have said something different if it was designed around the idea to give you current information about the person

Wrong. You can kill the City Watch guards in the prison before getting the Heart and she will still say the same things about Samuel. Arkane must have thought of that, but obviously kept it in. That's because despite what you're doing as a high chaos Corvo, he does still respect you.

I doubt it. She is saying the same thing because the Heart as a mechanic is limited in that way, that's what it does, repeat the same couple of lines based on the Character you point it at.
You really believe Samuel still respected him when he called for the Guards?

Originally posted by ?§ØREN?:
In fact, if he didn't respect you, then why does he get upset at you for all the death that you've caused? He gets upset at the end BECAUSE he respects Corvo, and is hurt by all the chaos he's caused to the city. If he didn't care about Corvo then he wouldn't have bothered lecturing him.

Because that would be the healthy human reaction to have, when a friend, or even just associate goes ham and murders a good portion of Dunwalls citizen, you'd probably be a little upset/hurt. Especially if you used to respect him.
If you had a mass murderer in your boat that you had no reason to fear for whatever reason, hell yeah you're going to lecture him.
You'd be scum if you didn't.
cyberwiz97 Jan 13, 2015 @ 9:26pm 
Originally posted by SentoX:
Because that would be the healthy human reaction to have, when a friend, or even just associate goes ham and murders a good portion of Dunwalls citizen, you'd probably be a little upset/hurt. Especially if you used to respect him.
If you had a mass murderer in your boat that you had no reason to fear for whatever reason, hell yeah you're going to lecture him.
You'd be scum if you didn't..
In a perfect world, I would agree but, if I had a mass murderer in my boat, I certainly would have reason to fear him and I sure wouldn't be tempting his wrath by calling him out or alerting his enemies to his presence. Personally, I think the healthy human reaction would be to keep my mouth shut. I'd rather be live scum than a dead hero. JMO.
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