Dishonored Ghost, and clean hand series achievements.

[DJay Phalic]

So I just played through the entire game for he second time, completely undetected and without killing anyone, the check boxes in every single mission stats page is check. I Chose the non lethal option for all special targets and even side quests, such as the shoot off at the mascaraed, I shot him with a sleep dart, and granny rags, I choked that ♥♥♥♥♥ out, she was unconscious not dead. The only thing I hurt the entire game was rats and those acid plant things, no dogs, no weepers, people, guards, primary targets, assassins, or even side targets. please help pretty upset at my game right now, thank you.

[Puppy Cat Underfoot]

Did you ever use Bend Time? Apparently even non-lethal with active bend time counts as kills. Choking Granny Rags counts as a kill. It's a major bug, in everyone's game.

[DJay Phalic]

so everyone I choke counts as a kill?

[DJay Phalic]

I never used bend time because I was going for the "mostly flesh and steel" acheivement too

[DJay Phalic]

I just choked out a buncha guards and hookers but I never bent time.

[gamertaboo]

What about the Torturer? People forget about him sometimes but did you choke him out or kill him?

I've never had a bend time / non-lethal (sleep dart) count as a kill....

[Mr_Faorry]

did anyone you choked out get eaten by rats?

[Goosegle]

When you choke everyone, put them on high grounds, table, chair, in closed trashbin, where rats can't reach. Rat swarm is random and they will eat anyone you let laying on the floor.

[DJay Phalic]

probably the rat thing....

[cyberwiz97]

No, it's NOT the rats. You can leave an unconscious body on the ground where rats eat them and it DOES NOT count as a kill nor does it negate the Clean Hands achievement. I've tested this several times and I guaranty it doesn't count against you as a kill

As for Granny Rags in the Flooded District, choking her out only counts as a kill if you do it too soon. After burning the cameo, if you hide and wait for her to blink around the area looking for you, you can chokd her out and it won't count as a kill. The bug where it used to always count as a kill has been fixed with v1.7.

There are about a dozen ways that unconscious bodies can die. If they fall from a ledge or rooftop; if you drop them from an elevated position; if something drops on them; if a nearby explosion is too close; if a door closes on their head; if the body falls into water or even a shallow pool; just to name a few. (And just for clarification, being eaten by rats is not one of the reasons.)

Oh, and putting an unconscious body in a dumpster is ok but, if a guard or civilian walks close to it, they will hear the guy snoring and will be alerted.

As gamertaboo mentioned, the mission objective to kill the Torturer is often taken too literally. You do have the option to just choke him out and satisfy the objective.

One thing that could ruin a Clean Hands achievement is during the interim mission after the High Overseer Campbell, Havelock asks you to check the sewers, where there are two weepers, If you kill either one, that will negate the Clean Hands achievement. You may not realize it however because there's no mission stats screen to show the kill, but it still counts against you.

FYI, it's perfectly ok to kill wolfhounds, river krusts, rats and hagfish. None of them will count as a kill.

[gamertaboo]

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

No, it's NOT the rats. You can leave an unconscious body on the ground where rats eat them and it DOES NOT count as a kill nor does it negate the Clean Hands achievement.

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

FYI, it's perfectly ok to kill wolfhounds....-snip-.. None of them will count as a kill.

In my experience, all of that is incorrect. I've had each of those count against me.

[cyberwiz97]

Originally posted by gamertaboo:

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

No, it's NOT the rats. You can leave an unconscious body on the ground where rats eat them and it DOES NOT count as a kill nor does it negate the Clean Hands achievement.

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

FYI, it's perfectly ok to kill wolfhounds....-snip-.. None of them will count as a kill.

In my experience, all of that is incorrect. I've had each of those count against me.

It may have seemed that way but, I'm afraid you're mistaken. I've got over a thousand hours in this game and much of that time has been in testing* and validating everything I mentioned. I promise you ... everything I said is true.

You can test the "rats" issue easily in mission 5 (Lady Boyles Party), In between the Boyle Mansion and the apartment building is a guard on his patrol, Choke him out and carry him the end of the railing. Drop him and walk straight ahead towards the back of the apt building. That will trigger rats to swarm around the corner at you. Escape the rats and they will move to the unconscious body you laid down. They eat him and his is certainly dead. Continue through the mission with NO KILLS. At the end of mission stats screen you will see zero kills. This can be tested on most missions but not all.

As for the Wolfhounds, River Krusts, Rats and Hagfish... Those cannot possibly have counted as kill against you.


* To test whether these actions affect the achievements or not, I set up a second account, played a fresh game and was very thorough. My test results are accurate.

[gamertaboo]

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

Originally posted by gamertaboo:

In my experience, all of that is incorrect. I've had each of those count against me.

It may have seemed that way but, I'm afraid you're mistaken. I've got over a thousand hours in this game and much of that time has been in testing* and validating everything I mentioned. I promise you ... everything I said is true.

You can test the "rats" issue easily in mission 5 (Lady Boyles Party), In between the Boyle Mansion and the apartment building is a guard on his patrol, Choke him out and carry him the end of the railing. Drop him and walk straight ahead towards the back of the apt building. That will trigger rats to swarm around the corner at you. Escape the rats and they will move to the unconscious body you laid down. They eat him and his is certainly dead. Continue through the mission with NO KILLS. At the end of mission stats screen you will see zero kills. This can be tested on most missions but not all.

As for the Wolfhounds, River Krusts, Rats and Hagfish... Those cannot possibly have counted as kill against you.


* To test whether these actions affect the achievements or not, I set up a second account, played a fresh game and was very thorough. My test results are accurate.

-I've had rats count against me on more than one occasion, it can also be found on the FAQ on Dishonored's website made by the Dev's.

-I believe Wolfhounds might have counted (not the other animals, that's why I removed them from your quote) though I cannot remember. I could have sworn I also read that in the FAQ, I'll go check.

EDIT:
Source

Happily, Bethesda sent us all the juicy details of how Chaos, detection and kills are calculated, so we can tell you.


No kills
Not hiding bodies well enough after choking them out or sleep darting them can sometimes lead to other characters finding them or may lead to nearby rats cleaning them up, counting as a kill towards your character's stats.

Wolfhound kills do not count towards Chaos, but they can detect your character. Wolfhounds can discover bodies, and their corpses will count towards “bodies found”.

I was wrong about wolfhounds. This PCgamer Ad wasn't where I originally had read this, it was at Dishonored.com or something like that but when I go there now, it seems to have changed for Dishonored 2. Either way, if an unconcious body dies somehow, it counts against the player. I've had every type happen, I've fallen into water while carrying an unconcious, I've left them near rats, I've left them on the edge of roofs and they've fallen. They all have counted as a kill against me. I can prove this further if need be.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe you left a body near rats and it disappeared before being eaten. I see bodies disappear all the time, and I don't know how that would work exactly.

[aqvarivs]

Cyberwiz97 is correct. Web material about Dishonored is unreliable as much of it has not kept up with the bug fixes.

Rats consuming unconscious bodies does NOT count against you. Bethesda themselves said so in a video interview and it has been posted several times in these threads.

Putting an unconscious body into the water drowns them as does knocking a live NPC into the water. That is unrelated as you DO those things. NOT DOING things don't count against you. Unless you were supposed to do them in the first place. :D

The only scoring bug that I'm aware of that has never been fixed is the shadow kill/bodies found end of mission report card. Yesterday I KIA 11 Overseer's in Campbell's HQ Mission with shadow kill powers and my EOM report card said all 11 had been found. :D

That the game bloggers have never updated their earlier pieces is probably the reason why there is so much continued myth about this game and why the same threads are repeated ad-nauseam. People google Dishonored and get info from 2012 and no bug fixes.

[cyberwiz97]

Originally posted by aqvarivs:

Cyberwiz97 is correct. Web material about Dishonored is unreliable as much of it has not kept up with the bug fixes.

Thanks aqvarivs. That is so true.

@ gamertaboo

Much of the information we see on gamer sites comes second or third-hand. It wouldn't be the first time they got something wrong. From a TV commercial ... "I saw it on the Internet. They can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true." :D

As I mentioned, you can easily test this out yourself. Naturally occurring rat swarms are always found in in missions 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. Give it a try.

Note: One area of confusion could stem from a similar condition that does indeed count against you as a kill. It happens when an unconscious body is eaten by a rat swarm that you summoned with your powers.

[Pink]

Mabye youre killing dauds men at the start of the game