Does speaking to Slackjaw ruin Ghost?

[Darren]

I did the whole mission non lethally and thought I'd not been spotted, then at the end it tells me I was spotted once. I have no idea who by, I'm assuming Slackjaw doesn't count as there were other NPC's that would have also spotted me in the distillery. Also is there a kind of stat tracker so if I load an earlier save I can find out that I was still ghost at that point? Wasted like 2 hours on that 1 mission thinking I'd not been seen.

[Talon]

In the Golden Cat mission (which is the mission I'm assuming you're talking about here), Slackjaw and his thugs are considered non-hostile until provoked. Thus them seeing you does not count against you getting Ghost. Only hostile NPCs, and I think any civilians on the streets you can spook, will count against Ghost.

Oddly, having an alarm go off doesn't count against Ghost as long as no one sees you but it will count against an achievement for never being spotted or setting off alarms.

[Darren]

That's the one, I got clean hands but not ghost but I really can't recall anybody spotting me else I'd have reloaded a save, mission took me ages so it's really irritating, they really need a stat tracker.

[MadBone12]

Originally posted by LordSiddhuGaming:

Do I have to start from the beginning now ? Or can I play from the mission load screen and replay that level and get the ghost and clean hands achievement ?

For this type of achievement, you have to play the whole game again. Just playing one mission from the missions page doesn't work.

[Talon]

Always be in the habit of dropping a save at the very beginning of missions. Also, with the Golden Cat mission, it's an idea to have a save from before taking care of the weepers in the sewers under the Hounds Pit Pub as them dying can count against your Clean Hands achievement. Unsure if they also affect getting Ghost or not, though.

[SpaceBallsJim]

Originally posted by Darren:

I did the whole mission non lethally and thought I'd not been spotted, then at the end it tells me I was spotted once. I have no idea who by, I'm assuming Slackjaw doesn't count as there were other NPC's that would have also spotted me in the distillery. Also is there a kind of stat tracker so if I load an earlier save I can find out that I was still ghost at that point? Wasted like 2 hours on that 1 mission thinking I'd not been seen.

no, hes "friendly" npc

[Gilmer]

I would not worry about it. I got Ghost in every single mission and still didn't get the Ghost achievement.

[Talon]

Originally posted by Gilmer:

I would not worry about it. I got Ghost in every single mission and still didn't get the Ghost achievement.

Did you complete every mission through mission select? If so, you won't get it. You have to do it as one playthrough from start to finish. If no, did you make sure that you didn't kill the weepers before the Golden Cat mission or make sure they didn't die when knocking them out? That's one area that can give trouble without you knowing it.

Other stuff would be whether you killed anyone other than key targets (Campbell, the Pendleton Twins, Lady Boyle, Hiram Burrows, Daud, and Havelock). There's also the matter that raising an alarm and getting spotted aren't always mutually exclusive. I mention that as I actually got Ghost in the Golden Cat mission despite alerting the guards when I used grenades to kill the Pendleton Twins. The game even noted that I had an alarm raised but wasn't ever spotted by the guards.

The Ghost Achievement requires you to kill no one but key targets, have no one spot you, and have no alarms raised. Note: You can deal with targets in a non-lethal manner if you so wish and think it's easier than just killing them.