Is Non Lethal Brigmore Witches worth it?

[♦Pieramyd]

Without spoiling anything, is playing through Brigmore Witches in a non-lethal style more rewarding than a lethal playthrough? I beat Knife of Dunwall non-lethally and felt like it was meant to be played Lethally with High Chaos, since it's actually more rewarding to play the base game non-lethally, although Dishonored provides all the powers one could want for a lethal play style, even a non-stealthy one, but is it even worth it for Brigmore Witches?

[Pafti]

Non-lethal is canon for the base game and both DLC's, and Dishonored 2 continues the story with that in mind. You'll want to at least have seen the non-lethal endings before heading into the sequel, so you may as well also play for them and keep continiuity.

[Lord Of Dorkness]

Find lethal more fun & visceral myself, but non-lethal is more tactical and satisfying, if that makes sense.

So it's a bit 'apples & oranges.' Just because you find one to your liking, doesn't mean you do the other.

For what it's worth: That last Witches boss is really cool in how you take her down without killing her. A rather 'Grimm' style end, if you will.

[Talon]

From what I've seen, I think doing Brigmore Witches non-lethal is less of a headache than Knife of Dunwall. Unless it too has a glitch where it counts a body that it spawns in against you.

Also, not killing the final target is fairly satisfying.

[Zekiran]

It's difficult as heck, in some spots. But last night when I was finishing up the Lizzy Stride chapter fully expecting that ambush that occurs in high chaos... and ... it didn't happen. O___O well okay then! either I sufficiently low-chaosed it enough, or if I faintly recall there was another reason that it didn't occur (like I knocked out all the hidden witches in the sewers). Pleased I didn't have to try and avoid that with my dwindling supply of sleep darts.

Those stupid reviving hounds though. Haven't managed a full ghost in this one.

[Lord Of Dorkness]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

Those stupid reviving hounds though. Haven't managed a full ghost in this one.

FIY, you can kill them by destroying their skull. Either by Pull and smashing the skull with your sword outside the guarded area, or just by shooting a bolt at it.

If you mean Ghost in the traditional Thief-community sense instead of Dishonored's version by 'full,' though... Well~, good luck with that one.

[dallas]

Originally posted by Lord Of Dorkness:

Find lethal more fun & visceral myself, but non-lethal is more tactical and satisfying, if that makes sense.

So it's a bit 'apples & oranges.' Just because you find one to your liking, doesn't mean you do the other.

For what it's worth: That last Witches boss is really cool in how you take her down without killing her. A rather 'Grimm' style end, if you will.

yep, lethal is defnitely more fun

[rod66]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

It's difficult as heck, in some spots. But last night when I was finishing up the Lizzy Stride chapter fully expecting that ambush that occurs in high chaos... and ... it didn't happen. O___O well okay then! either I sufficiently low-chaosed it enough, or if I faintly recall there was another reason that it didn't occur (like I knocked out all the hidden witches in the sewers). Pleased I didn't have to try and avoid that with my dwindling supply of sleep darts.

Those stupid reviving hounds though. Haven't managed a full ghost in this one.

The Ambush in the dead eels section occurs if you take down enough of the witches (6 I believe) in the sewers. as far as I know it isn't related to chaos at all as I remember avoiding it on a lethal run where I killed all of those witches.

[Burdpal]

Brigmore is so much fun. Glad that Daud has more tools to deal with non-lethal encounters very easily. Chokedust, stun mines, and sleep darts make the DLC game far more varied than the baseline Dishonored game that really only had either choking or sleep darts. More options certainly help.

[Talon]

Originally posted by Burd!:

Brigmore is so much fun. Glad that Daud has more tools to deal with non-lethal encounters very easily. Chokedust, stun mines, and sleep darts make the DLC game far more varied than the baseline Dishonored game that really only had either choking or sleep darts. More options certainly help.

Chokedust Grenades are the best. Especially when you upgrade them to make enemies go back to their patrols and stuff like that. In a way, I wish you could have the added gadgets from Daud's story in the base game. New opportunities, more fun.

[snake_angel_18]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

. O___O well okay then! either I sufficiently low-chaosed it enough, or if I faintly recall there was another reason that it didn't occur (like I knocked out all the hidden witches in the sewers). Pleased I didn't have to try and avoid that with my dwindling supply of sleep darts.

Those stupid reviving hounds though. Haven't managed a full ghost in this one.

Knocking out the witches in the sewers is what stopped the attack. There is one witch in the sewers that reports to a statue of Delilah about Daud's actions towards the end, and witches attack at the end. If you knock her out in the sewers, she doesn't report and the attack doesn't happen.

Unless you don't know how to deal with the grave hounds in Dishonored 2 also, you deal with the hounds in Brigmore Witches exactly the same as in Dishonored 2.

(I played Brigmore Wtiches before I got Dishonored 2, and the first time I played Dishonored 2 I dealt with the hounds the way I remembered from Brigmore Witches.)

Speaking of, low chaos of Brigmore Wtiches is canon since the non lethal end sets up events for Dishonored 2.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally posted by Pafti:

Non-lethal is canon for the base game and both DLC's, and Dishonored 2 continues the story with that in mind. You'll want to at least have seen the non-lethal endings before heading into the sequel, so you may as well also play for them and keep continiuity.

I don't think non-lethal in general is canon, just not killing certain people like Daud and having low chaos. You can kill a bunch of people and still get low chaos.

[Pafti]

Originally posted by StingingVelvet:

Originally posted by Pafti:

Non-lethal is canon for the base game and both DLC's, and Dishonored 2 continues the story with that in mind. You'll want to at least have seen the non-lethal endings before heading into the sequel, so you may as well also play for them and keep continiuity.

I don't think non-lethal in general is canon, just not killing certain people like Daud and having low chaos. You can kill a bunch of people and still get low chaos.

You're probably right, I didn't think that through.

[Smokedice]

I did low chaos for Brigmore, but I killed the main villain. It's the most fun to watch death animation I've ever seen. Also because I dislike that character so, so much.

[dallas]

Originally posted by Rawfire:

I did low chaos for Brigmore, but I killed the main villain. It's the most fun to watch death animation I've ever seen. Also because I dislike that character so, so much.

but you dont get cleanest hand achivement

[Smokedice]

Originally posted by wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww:

Originally posted by Rawfire:

I did low chaos for Brigmore, but I killed the main villain. It's the most fun to watch death animation I've ever seen. Also because I dislike that character so, so much.

but you dont get cleanest hand achivement

Screw the achievement! Does nothing for me