How to Fight Granny Rags Ghost + Clean Hands Explained

[EtherArchon]

Hello guys, some of you guys probably know this, but there is a way for you to fight Granny Rags while still having Ghost/Clean Hands. I saw this a few days ago, but didn't try it myself until today.

When entering the area, do not talk to either Granny Rags or Slackjaw. Walk up the ramp to your left to the room with the painting, the cameo, and the furnance. Collect everything, and make sure to grab her cameo. It is under her pillow on the bed.

Equip Bend Time ability. It will only work if you upgraded to level two, allowing you to freeze time. Open the furnace, and press interact button. After choosing to place the cameo in, immediately freeze time, and close the furnace again using the lever. Turn around to find that Granny Rags has teleported behind you. Sneak behind her, and pick pocket her keys.

Unlock and enter the room to the left of the furnance. It is important that you close the doors behind you. Wait for your time stop to end, and turn on dark vision. You see that Granny Rags is standing outside the door.

After a while, you hear a loud exploding sound. A few seconds after that, Granny Rags will stumble, as if hit by something or drunk. Freeze time before she regains her balance. Open the door, walk out, and choke her. Save Slackjaw to get bonus money, grab the rune and other collectibles in the room, break the boards on the floor, and use the sewer to leave.

NOTE:After the explosion, if you try to choke her before she stumbles, she will teleport a few feet away. You can try to choke her again, but it is risky that your time stop will end. If you try to sleep dart her before she stumbles, she will simply die, despite that her body will say "unconscious" if you look at it. If you allow her to regain her balance, she will have three white alert bars, and it is reported that there is a bug, in which this counts as detection, even though three white bars should not. Through trial and error I found out that when she is stumbling is the best moment, ensuring that she stays alive and you remain undetected.

Hope that you guys found this helpful.

[cyberwiz97]

That's a well thought-out and, I must admit, unique way of handling the confrontation but ... Bend Time ... Dark Vision ... choke her right as she's stumbling? Pardon me for saying so but, that seems like a bit more trouble than necessary.

You seem to like working things out by trial and error so, you might enjoy just doing it the old fashioned way. The start of it is the same as your method except you don't need Bend Time at all. Just put the cameo in the furnace and burn it. Granny will appear in the room but, if you recall, she's blind and won't see you there. Then, just crouch (because she IS able to hear) and walk past her and hide around the corner to your left (as you pass by her). If you wait for her to spawn at one of her landing zones that you can see, you can blink right behind her and choke her out, holding on to her body so she doesn't fall. Done deal.

I'm curious as to where you heard that sleep-darting her will cause her death, dispite her body being labeled as "unconscious". If you remember the source, I'd really like to know.

If I can find the video I have of this method, I'll come back and edit the link into this post.

[snake_angel_18]

From what I can tell the Granny Rags non-lethal hidden kill is like the natural rats counting as a kill, and may have been fixed in the same patch.

This is what I've found anyway:
http://dishonored.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rainb0wSprinklz/Problems_with_the_final_confrontation_between_Granny_Rags_and_Slackjaw

[EtherArchon]

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

That's a well thought-out and, I must admit, unique way of handling the confrontation but ... Bend Time ... Dark Vision ... choke her right as she's stumbling? Pardon me for saying so but, that seems like a bit more trouble than necessary.

You seem to like working things out by trial and error so, you might enjoy just doing it the old fashioned way. The start of it is the same as your method except you don't need Bend Time at all. Just put the cameo in the furnace and burn it. Granny will appear in the room but, if you recall, she's blind and won't see you there. Then, just crouch (because she IS able to hear) and walk past her and hide around the corner to your left (as you pass by her). If you wait for her to spawn at one of her landing zones that you can see, you can blink right behind her and choke her out, holding on to her body so she doesn't fall. Done deal.

I'm curious as to where you heard that sleep-darting her will cause her death, dispite her body being labeled as "unconscious". If you remember the source, I'd really like to know.

If I can find the video I have of this method, I'll come back and edit the link into this post.

I tried this myself. If you sleep dart her too early she will die, despite the body saying "unconscious". I got to the end, and is told by the game that I killed somebody. I reloaded Granny Rags part, and did it again by choking instead of sleep dart, and is informed that I didn't kill anyone. Since there are no more enemies after Granny Rags on low chaos, must've been Granny Rags.

[cyberwiz97]

Originally posted by EtherArchon:

I tried this myself. If you sleep dart her too early she will die, despite the body saying "unconscious". I got to the end, and is told by the game that I killed somebody. I reloaded Granny Rags part, and did it again by choking instead of sleep dart, and is informed that I didn't kill anyone. Since there are no more enemies after Granny Rags on low chaos, must've been Granny Rags.

I'm still confused. When you say, "... sleep dart her too early she will die despite the body saying "unconscious". I've done that immediately after closing the furnace and she dies - body is not labeled. I wait 'til right after the "explosion" and she is labeled unconscious and I have no end of mission kills. In fact, if I sleep dart her anytime after that, she is labeled unconscious and does not result in an end of mission kill.

I know that, if you sleep dart Granny, she can die from the fall off her landing zone. But, I don't know of any "hidden kills" in this mission ( when doing it by burning the cameo and rendering her unconscious.)

As I said before, this mission was bugged early on but, has since been fixed. As much as I try, any time I leave Granny labeled 'unconscious', I'm never charged with a kill. I'm really curious how you're getting that cuz I can't duplicate it.

[cyberwiz97]

Originally posted by snake_angel_18:

From what I can tell the Granny Rags non-lethal hidden kill is like the natural rats counting as a kill, and may have been fixed in the same patch.

This is what I've found anyway:
http://dishonored.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Rainb0wSprinklz/Problems_with_the_final_confrontation_between_Granny_Rags_and_Slackjaw

And that was probably true in December of 2012. Unfortunately, the Dishonored Wiki doesn't update their information (or fandom blog pages) with corrected information, such as the patched rats issue. Case in point...
http://dishonored.wikia.com/wiki/Clean_Hands

[cyberwiz97]

I couldn't find the video I was looking for so, I threw this one together...
https://youtu.be/pPvjGegXUr4

[Hydrataur]

Something wierd happened to me.

I was doing a clean hands/ghost/no powers (except for blink) run and I didn't have the Granny Rags confrontation at all.
It did happen to me during my high chaos run, but this time it just didn't.

Anybody know why?

[rod66]

Originally posted by Hydrataur:

Something wierd happened to me.

I was doing a clean hands/ghost/no powers (except for blink) run and I didn't have the Granny Rags confrontation at all.
It did happen to me during my high chaos run, but this time it just didn't.

Anybody know why?

You skipped doing Granny's missions is the easiest answer.

[cyberwiz97]

Actually, you didn't even talk with Granny in mission 2. Just talking with her triggers the confrontation. You don't even have to follow through with her side jobs.

[BigTiDDeAnimeGrill]

Originally posted by cyberwiz97:

That's a well thought-out and, I must admit, unique way of handling the confrontation but ... Bend Time ... Dark Vision ... choke her right as she's stumbling? Pardon me for saying so but, that seems like a bit more trouble than necessary.

You seem to like working things out by trial and error so, you might enjoy just doing it the old fashioned way. The start of it is the same as your method except you don't need Bend Time at all. Just put the cameo in the furnace and burn it. Granny will appear in the room but, if you recall, she's blind and won't see you there. Then, just crouch (because she IS able to hear) and walk past her and hide around the corner to your left (as you pass by her). If you wait for her to spawn at one of her landing zones that you can see, you can blink right behind her and choke her out, holding on to her body so she doesn't fall. Done deal.

I'm curious as to where you heard that sleep-darting her will cause her death, dispite her body being labeled as "unconscious". If you remember the source, I'd really like to know.

If I can find the video I have of this method, I'll come back and edit the link into this post.

So there is an even simpler way. If you have time warp 2 just put the cameo in the fire, when she comes up on the platform stop time. Walk behind her and pick pocket the key. Once you have the key just run off the platform and back to the sewers. You don't kill either of them and you have the key to proceed through the rest of the story. I have video proof of this working because I did it while recording. I can post it somewhere if someone needs a video on how to do it.

[Skolioosiapina]

I just did Ghost, Mostly Flesh and Steel, Clean Hands on Very Hard playthrough and i can confirm that it will work with this strategy:

However you still should save before hand so you can come back and try again with the same technique or another if it somehow didn't work.

So you enter the final Granny Rags mission site where Slack is shackled up.

1. Talk to Rags and accept to help her.
2. Walk to the top of the stairs where you find Rags' furnace, bed etc.
3. Take the cameo
4. Place it into the furnace, after the option select, close the furnace with the lever on the left
5. Rags Teles behind you while you do this but you don't have to give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about that because she blind and she anyway knows where you are.
6. After she teleports away from that position, just sneak, blink behind her and choke her unconscious.
7. Take the keys from Granny, release Slack and continue normally, problem solved.

If there is problems, please do tell, did this without any trickstery and magic tricks.
If this helps, you are welcome!

[Rikito]

Shouldn't this be a guide and not a thread?

[Wraith]

I had choked granny asleep - counted as a kill.
I had shot granny with a sleep dart - counted as a kill.
I had shot Slackjaw with a sleep dart, taken her key and run - counted as a kill.

Finally read this: Following the Freeze time/hide/Freeze time/choke method. It did NOT count as a kill. Thank you, @EtherArchon.

[SVORN]

You're the best thank you!

[[GRD] FabulousFab]

Big thank to you.
As today, after all patches are long behind us, this is still the way to go to have those 2 achivements.
Whatever those who say it isn't a bug : the stats are wrong. If they were correct everyone would have noticed that dart-sleep Granny Rag wasn't the way to go.