Muslim Race far superior in CK2

[Risen]

Agree or Disagree and why?

[PFC Chamberlain]

Compared to what CK1? they weren't playable in ck1. by the way muslim is not a race but a religion even though its common among the arabs.

[Pippin123]

Originally posted by Alfred Graf Von Risen:

Agree or Disagree and why?

lol Shouldn't you be the one who provide reasoning for your statement ?

If you mean Muslim rulers have an easier time conquering than Christian Rulers, it's true, but Decadence / Open Succession is a pain. I can't bring myself to "cull" my children and it always end in a bloody succession war.

The Pagans (especially Norse) are in my mind more powerful: they can holy war and conquer as much as the muslim, and their restrictions (Gavelkind, weak vs Conversion) can be overcome by reforming the faith...

In one of my game, as a Norse Emperor, one of my duke (not even the more powerful one) did a "Prepared invasion" on its own and gave me the Kingdom Aquitaine...

[Deadly Blowfish]

Invasion CB is overpowered, yes.

[Herbie]

Early on its true but they have done that on purpose along with them having better tech etc. Its just accurate.

[Arkeangel]

In earlier patches it was true, especially the Shia Caliph with his 3 x 10k death stacks!
The decadence system now seems to be working better as I had the Sejuks go 4 years with 100%.
Not sure now think the pagans have replaced them.

[Ciciro]

The new playable religion is always op at the start.

[Moxa9]

The pagans only replace them if your playing from the old start date. If your playing at 1066 then the muslim and pagan religions are more balanced and therefore can be brought back into balance if they call for invasions of different religions. If the invasion CB is used against a Christian then that Christian often brings in more christians into the fight, making it more even against the pagan. After 1066 the muslims only really gain awesome power when the Seljuks are invading Antolia and when they are given the Jihads.

[Risen]

Originally posted by (SG) Ciciro:

The new playable religion is always op at the start.

yah but norse is new playable religion and besides its pretty rediciulous every time there is a crusade and ive seen a stack of 40000 crusaders take on 30000 muslims they get their asses stoped and the muslims dont lose ♥♥♥♥

[Supplican]

Originally posted by Alfred Graf Von Risen:

Agree or Disagree and why?

Disagree as "Muslim" is not a race, it's a religion. More Muslims are non-Arab than Arab; the three largest Muslim-population nations in the world are Indonesia, India and Pakistan.

Not to mention that the concept of "race" is, scientifically, invalid.

[Rutgerius]

Originally posted by supplican:

Originally posted by Alfred Graf Von Risen:

Agree or Disagree and why?

Disagree as "Muslim" is not a race, it's a religion. More Muslims are non-Arab than Arab; the three largest Muslim-population nations in the world are Indonesia, India and Pakistan.

Not to mention that the concept of "race" is, scientifically, invalid.

Don't get your knickers in a twist son, no one is dissing muslims. It's most likely a linguistic issue.

Ontopic, the muslims are only strong because the catholics are segmented and devided, muslim casus belli's will bring you only so far while the catholics have the potential for huge money making, a potential muslims don't really have as most of their provinces are only 3/4 holds.

and as the load up screen will tell you, everyone cares for money.

[Taiwan Number One]

I agree, as Muslims rulers have insanely high vassal relations. Add in their higher levies, and better starting tech, and you've got a recipe for disaster. Yes, they have decadence and the routine succession wars but neither of those is a severe handicap.

[ShadoWwolF]

Originally posted by rutgerius:

Originally posted by supplican:

Disagree as "Muslim" is not a race, it's a religion. More Muslims are non-Arab than Arab; the three largest Muslim-population nations in the world are Indonesia, India and Pakistan.

Not to mention that the concept of "race" is, scientifically, invalid.

Don't get your knickers in a twist son, no one is dissing muslims. It's most likely a linguistic issue.

Ontopic, the muslims are only strong because the catholics are segmented and devided, muslim casus belli's will bring you only so far while the catholics have the potential for huge money making, a potential muslims don't really have as most of their provinces are only 3/4 holds.

and as the load up screen will tell you, everyone cares for money.

have you looked at the holdings in the holy land? most of them have a lot of holdings and start out with pretty high tech and under muslim control

[Warlordnipple]

in 867 yea the Christians suck but as time goes on the crusades and the fact that christians cant really attack each other starts to help out. The Christians main strength is that they can't in fight the way muslims can. I usually see shias and sunnis destroying each other while Christians encroach onto their lands. Plus the Mongol invasions tend to cripple the main Islamic areas.

[Mandemon]

Disagree, because there is no Muslim "Race".

There is however, a religion called Islam, whose practitioners are called Muslims and they are quite powerful, except when they aren't.

Originally posted by Alfred Graf Von Risen:

Originally posted by (SG) Ciciro:

The new playable religion is always op at the start.

yah but norse is new playable religion and besides its pretty rediciulous every time there is a crusade and ive seen a stack of 40000 crusaders take on 30000 muslims they get their asses stoped and the muslims dont lose ♥♥♥♥

Amphibious assault is pretty much guarantee defeat if you don't outnumber enemy 5 to 1. There is more to combat than just two stacks in the same providence. Where you attack to where matters, as well as leaders.

[Risen]

Originally posted by Mandemon:

Disagree, because there is no Muslim "Race".

There is however, a religion called Islam, whose practitioners are called Muslims and they are quite powerful, except when they aren't.

Originally posted by Alfred Graf Von Risen:

yah but norse is new playable religion and besides its pretty rediciulous every time there is a crusade and ive seen a stack of 40000 crusaders take on 30000 muslims they get their asses stoped and the muslims dont lose ♥♥♥♥

Amphibious assault is pretty much guarantee defeat if you don't outnumber enemy 5 to 1. There is more to combat than just two stacks in the same providence. Where you attack to where matters, as well as leaders.

yah but we secured acre and went into the province below acre and that was not a amphibious assault