Crusader Kings II

Crusader Kings II

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Gojak_v3 Dec 11, 2014 @ 4:22pm
I think I'm too dumb for this game
I read reviews and everything and I've wanted to play this game for months. I finially got it during thanksgiving sale and I'm almost completely lost playing the game.
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Razorblade Dec 11, 2014 @ 4:40pm 
You've just got to start as Ireland, read a bunch of guides, ignore the guides, and thrust yourself into the game. It gets easier. Navigating through menues and conquering almost becomes second nature.
Lightsong Dec 11, 2014 @ 5:18pm 
Do not give up!! It takes a good 20-30 hours to figure out how the game operates. After that...it's gold
Jonocat25 Dec 11, 2014 @ 5:31pm 
Lightsong is correct. It takes at least 15 hours to get the nack of it. Don't give up, and make ample use of reloading saves!
Jonocat25 Dec 11, 2014 @ 5:32pm 
And post questions on these forums. There are some helpful experts about.
The Burger King Dec 11, 2014 @ 6:01pm 
Originally posted by Gojak_v3:
I read reviews and everything and I've wanted to play this game for months. I finially got it during thanksgiving sale and I'm almost completely lost playing the game.
Watch Arumba on youtube, he has a guide for ireland and then yeah.
Dimebag Dec 11, 2014 @ 6:10pm 
Check out Arumba on Youtube , it is the only way to learn :) Good luck and keep persevering as it is well worth the time to learn the ropes .

Originally posted by wkl2001:
Originally posted by Gojak_v3:
I read reviews and everything and I've wanted to play this game for months. I finially got it during thanksgiving sale and I'm almost completely lost playing the game.
Watch Arumba on youtube, he has a guide for ireland and then yeah.
holiday hawk Dec 11, 2014 @ 6:35pm 
Don't try to play it as a normal strategy game, like Europa Universalis also made by Paradox. Controlling your ruling dynasty and interacting with others is the main focal point, not simply controlling your state. The game isn't a spirit of the nation game. Even if you pick England, you're really playing as the ruling dynasty of England, not directly England.
drake_hound Dec 11, 2014 @ 6:38pm 
Just start somewhere boring like in iceland. explore the options and progress slow.
once you know how to conquer your neighbour. (gee one county lol)
You can form the kingdom of iceland.

Then slowly learn from there on all the options, before you start somewhere in europe or even more the hectic England who is a mess of diseases tribal wars etc.
When you get bored start a new game and take what you learned and see if it is helping you.

Infact if you understand the principle about the game. try find a location that is safe under a liege. and expand slowly and slowly.

No need to rush being a Emperor or King, take your time and slowly learn the game.
Rajiin Terra Dec 11, 2014 @ 7:05pm 
I will fully admit that these people are talking more sense then any advice I could offer, especially since my first game was a custom ruler who I played as the king of ireland.... A pagan king..... Long story short My family ended up a very long way from scotland because everyone there had been killed off by revolts or assasinations and my first game ended with me with a massive rage boner in the prison of the byzantine......... Since then I have played god knows how many games and now I've managed to do an iorn man world conquest and I keep playing games all the time, it is the most amazing game I think I've ever played so no matter what stick with it even if the game makes you rage or cry, it's all worth it.
Sol Dec 11, 2014 @ 7:11pm 
This game is hard to learn but easy to master, there is a LOT to learn up front, but once you know it you know it.
electricnomad Dec 11, 2014 @ 7:36pm 
Steep learning curve. Definitely read some guides and review the wiki, you will usually turn up info about mechanics that you never noticed before. Also feel free to restart once you feel like you are getting the hang of things.
Zednaught Dec 11, 2014 @ 7:46pm 
It's definitely worth it to keep pushing forward. I bought this game when it was on sale, convinced I could never get into these types of games. The tutorial teaches you enough to start up, but you can easily be left feeling clueless or directionless. Like you, I tried for a bit, got burned out, and set it aside.

I eventually came back, just to play a quick game as a Castilian noble. Well, 200 hours later, I've been awed by the game. I'm still learning nuances about game mechanics. Heck, I haven't even played a non-Christian character yet.

You enjoyment of the game is self-directed. You can take over the whole world, or simply be content to end a game when you've risen from a lowly count to king through your ruthless use of plots, religion, and medieval law.

If you're a fan of history, you might enjoy role-playing as various historical figures. I played a fun game where I created the infamous 'Charles the Bad' of Navarre, a man whose life, and especially death, is a fascinating read. Unlike the real Charles, though, I was able to sieze the throne of France (or rather, his mother was- go figure).
Sol Dec 11, 2014 @ 8:17pm 
Try something different. I hated this game when the only thing you could "really" do is play a dumb Christian and persecute everyone who won't kiss the pope. When we got the ability to play Pagans, things got really fun for me. I can be anti-christian (and anti-theist) while still playing the game with a full set of features.

Try different areas of the map, different playstyles. You will find something you like.
The Burger King Dec 11, 2014 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by Thadian:
Try something different. I hated this game when the only thing you could "really" do is play a dumb Christian and persecute everyone who won't kiss the pope. When we got the ability to play Pagans, things got really fun for me. I can be anti-christian (and anti-theist) while still playing the game with a full set of features.

Try different areas of the map, different playstyles. You will find something you like.
I usually play as pagan or a jew. the jew one doesnt really last that long cause i suck. ;)
Sol Dec 11, 2014 @ 9:17pm 
Start by trying to understand one fundamental argument about what this game really is, and you see this argument a lot.

A. This game is Family/Dynasty Manager, not a wargame. The goal is not expansion or building a successful kingdom/empire, that stuff is just part of the game being in a medieval setting. Devs should make kingdoms and empires hard to manage and focus more on family/dynasty stuff.

B. There are too many parts of the game about empire management (rather than family), that this game basically is a wargame with an in-build dynastic system. Devs should focus more on big empires/kingdoms because the game became more than The Sims 5: Feudalism.

Understanding this dialogue (very simplified) between the sides can help you understand the game much better. It is desirable and fun to build a large empire, unite your lands and all that. However it isn't really "the focus" of the game. The focus is really about dynastic management, family building, etc. So you don't have to have a good kingdom, per se. Just try to survive and learn the game. There is a lot to learn but once you learn it, you will be good to go.

Many people like to perform a few things on the Family side:

1. Breeding Heirs. This involves finding wives/concubines with traits like Strong, Genius, Attractive, and hopefully a really good educational trait like Midas Touched, Elusive Shadow or Grey Eminience. Scholarly Theologian is undesirable in a wife because it reduces fertility.

(If you get brothers you want to remove from succession threat, marry them to a Scholarly Theologian because of the reduced fertility. Also land them in a temple).

2. This means you need such a wife for each male, so that 3-4 generations down the line, you can have a row of strong geniuses.

Now, while some traits (good and bad) are inherited by your heirs, others come from "Education." You want your primary heir to be educated by a Brilliant Strategist, or a Midas Touched, depending on if you want your next character to be all about war or peace. Your other potential heirs, educate with a Scholarly Theologian because it reduces their fertility. You also want to make sure the people educating your heirs have traits you want. Good traits can help build a strong heir, bad traits can help build people nobody will like (which helps remove them from succession). Education can also determine the culture, and religion.

Some people marry a good woman to produce 2-3 heirs, then divorce or kill the wife and marry some 50 year old woman who won't produce "more threats" but instead, contribute a lifetime of ability scores to your realm bonus.


On the Empire side:

1. Make gold buildings before military or other ones.
2. Own the county, duchy and kingdom of your primary capital holding.
3. Develop your own directly held holdings. Don't upgrade vassal holdings.

4. You have Count A and Count B. Give Count A a barony in Count B's lands, and give Count B a barony in Count A's lands. Now, find 2 dukes in your kingdom and do the same. Give Duke A a county in Duke B's land, and Duke B a county in Duke A's land.

This weakens your vassals and makes them hate each other as much as, or more than, they hate you, or will hate your heir upon succession. If one of them becomes powerful enough to threaten you, eat the hate and revoke their dukedom.

5. Your good vassals are your friends, but in time Game Events can give them bad traits, which can cause them to not like you or your heir. Try to look at your Heirs traits before succession, and get people with similar, like minded traits into the court.

6. Don't recruit a large court! Marry people off. The more people in your court, the more people to plot against you. If you marry off someone who likes you to another court you wish to plot in, that person will probably join your plots because they like you.

These are just a few tips relating to empire and dynasty. Don't try to expand and conquer too much. Understand your succession law, and government type. If you start in Elective Gavelkind, your ONE JOB is to get out of that before succession. If you cannot, then know this ahead of time so you can act accordingly: Gain little land, divorce your wife for an older woman so your heir has no real threats, have vassals your son will like. Then, get out of Elective Gavelkind during his reign. That will be his one job. Once you are out of tribal and Gavelkind, you can really play the game.

You can also give your little kid honorary titles and make him a councillor (not Spymaster!) to increase his prestige, and that will help him through succession crisis. Don't try to land a family member in every province or they will reproduce, then to make alliances with one another, marry their children to each other; which for your kingdom means temporary stability, and for your dynasty, means inbreeding.
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Date Posted: Dec 11, 2014 @ 4:22pm
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