Dealing with Adventures

[Smally]

Ok, I've been playing for a good 70-80 years now as a Norse leader and have managed to take over the whole of England, Wales and Ireland. I'm really happy with this save and despite the fact that my leader is only 11, all is going quite well.

Then some minor member of my dynasty decides that he wants to start an adventure on my land. First off im going to reiterate a widely held opinion that this mechanic is broken and makes little-to-no sense, but its part of the game so im trying to deal with it. But thats the trouble, I can't.

I made a save a few months before his arrival and i've been playing with different ways to get rid of him, but none of them work. I can't assassinate him (I'm guessing because im a child) and i can definately not raise an army that can stand against 30,000 men. My raised army, including retinue is roughly 10,000-11,000 men, even with spending all my money on mercenaries I can only raise this to around 15,000-16,000, which doesn't stand a chance.

My question is: What do I do? How can i fix this truly ♥♥♥♥♥♥ situation I have myself in?

P.S. I want an actual answer to my specific situation, i've seen to many threads after searching the web for an answer that consist of advice that doesn't even answer the question the person was asking. Don't mean to be rude it just annoys me a bit when people do that.

[Pippin123]

You get a two years warning for an invasion, you really should have stopped everything else and prepare for the impact (hoard cash for mercenaries, etc)

Is it too late to marry someone of your family to a powerful norse king, so you get an alliance ?

15k vs 30k is not so desperate a situation, with a little luck (and tons of micro).
The composition of the army is important too, I don't know what's the proportion of Light Infantry in those.

First, if he's not yet on the map, track his movement through his character screen ("leading troops in ...") so you know where he's gonna land.

You can roll the dice on a big showdown, by putting all your army (with your best generals of course) at the spot where he's gonna land: his troops will fight with half morale and you'll have defensive bonus.

If you win this first fight, you just need to keep the pressure and never let his morale recover.

If he has already landed (or in a situation where you're not on an Island), give him space and let him siege your holdings:
He will lose men through attrition, siege events (and assaults, if you're lucky) or split his forces in smaller, more manageable stack

If you're lucky and get a peasant revolt, try to steer them toward each other (win win)

Finally, when the WS from sieging is getting too high, try to lure him into attacking you in a province with mountain terrain.

If you think you really can't win this war, don't despair: look at what he's after.
Is he a claimant after your king tilte ? or simply a conqueror looking for a duchy ?

If things are going badly, cut your losses and concede.

Then try to overthrow him by starting a faction, losing a war is not game over.

Edit: Also a very very simple solution, if you can : land him. give him a barony, anything. Adventures are canceled when you are the vassal of the target. It's not always possible, depends of where he is.
As Roman Emperor, I had my brother cancel his planned adventure for the Empire title by granting him a bishopric...

[Smally]

Originally posted by Pippin123:

You get a two years warning for an invasion, you really should have stopped everything else and prepare for the impact (hoard cash for mercenaries, etc)

Is it too late to marry someone of your family to a powerful norse king, so you get an alliance ?

15k vs 30k is not so desperate a situation, with a little luck (and tons of micro).
The composition of the army is important too, I don't know what's the proportion of Light Infantry in those.

First, if he's not yet on the map, track his movement through his character screen ("leading troops in ...") so you know where he's gonna land.

You can roll the dice on a big showdown, by putting all your army (with your best generals of course) at the spot where he's gonna land: his troops will fight with half morale and you'll have defensive bonus.

If you win this first fight, you just need to keep the pressure and never let his morale recover.

If he has already landed (or in a situation where you're not on an Island), give him space and let him siege your holdings:
He will lose men through attrition, siege events (and assaults, if you're lucky) or split his forces in smaller, more manageable stack

If you're lucky and get a peasant revolt, try to steer them toward each other (win win)

Finally, when the WS from sieging is getting too high, try to lure him into attacking you in a province with mountain terrain.

If you think you really can't win this war, don't despair: look at what he's after.
Is he a claimant after your king tilte ? or simply a conqueror looking for a duchy ?

If things are going badly, cut your losses and concede.

Then try to overthrow him by starting a faction, losing a war is not game over.

Edit: Also a very very simple solution, if you can : land him. give him a barony, anything. Adventures are canceled when you are the vassal of the target. It's not always possible, depends of where he is.
As Roman Emperor, I had my brother cancel his planned adventure for the Empire title by granting him a bishopric...

I've tried granting him land but as he has an actual claim on my primary title, so that didn't really help as he could still continue, I thought that still would have ended it but he didn't

I do know where he is going to land however so I think that your idea for waiting there is a very good one, i'll give that a try. If it doesn't work then i'll load it and try something else, I know thats kinda cheating but i don't care really. Cheers for all the help.

[Jonocat25]

cheating aside, making him die with console commands may be the simplest (albeit wimpiest) solution.
You said your Norse, and can't afford many mercenaries. You done much raiding? I've found that that is the most efficent way to get lots of money.

[Pippin123]

Originally posted by 3smally3:

I've tried granting him land but as he has an actual claim on my primary title, so that didn't really help as he could still continue, I thought that still would have ended it but he didn't

The attack won't trigger if the adventurer has become a ruler ( even a barony)
From the file
trigger = {
is_ruler = no
prisoner = no
NOT = { trait = incapable }}

This means no event troops for him.

If you are able to grant him land, do it. The countdown won't stop, but nothing will happen when it gets to 0.

You can then revoke your baron, and imprison him
His claim is not an issue, if he has only his barony levy to back it up.

[Newton's Flaming Laser Sword]

Preparation is everything in these scenarios. They will roflstomp you unless you're adamant in your intreague. Today I was somehow able to invite him to my court to supposedly push another of his claims. Naturally I imprisoned him and took his head, which lead to some less cool results (tirant, etc.) but hey.. it took care of that.

[Pippin123]

lol Are you playing the latest beta ? I thought I read in the patch notes somewhere that Adventurers won't be so naive as to go to court of the people they're trying to invade anymore.

DId that once too, invited him, suddenly had plot power >400%, he fell to his death , poisoned during a manure explosion :)

[Smally]

Originally posted by Pippin123:

Originally posted by 3smally3:

I've tried granting him land but as he has an actual claim on my primary title, so that didn't really help as he could still continue, I thought that still would have ended it but he didn't

The attack won't trigger if the adventurer has become a ruler ( even a barony)
From the file
trigger = {
is_ruler = no
prisoner = no
NOT = { trait = incapable }}

This means no event troops for him.

If you are able to grant him land, do it. The countdown won't stop, but nothing will happen when it gets to 0.

You can then revoke your baron, and imprison him
His claim is not an issue, if he has only his barony levy to back it up.

I dont have any baronies to grant so i'll have to give him a county (or would a city/temple work too? I could conquer a new county quickly and grant him one of them?) but i'll assassinate him when I am fully grown to get rid of the problem, I dont really wanna imprison him just ecause then i get seen as Tyrannical and if he starts a faction then i'll deal with that as it comes. Thanks for the help I got a bit worried just because thew countdown continued but if it amounts to nothing the thats fine.

[Buzzerker]

I've played this game when I was unemployed and I had time , I personally don't see how you even find it entertaining in the slightest. I've played wargames with cardboard maps and chits that were more exciting than this mess. Paradox needs to modernize their games , I for one will not waste money on any more DLC , no more portraits, songs , shields , or E-books for me. good luck to you all, I realize when you love a genre like this and only one company is churning out grist for your mill , you go to that company for what you gotta have but enough is enough. I refuse to perpetuate this stupid design of theirs that they have made into several titles, It's brilliant from the standpoint of a lazy , greedy developer but from a player's perspective it makes you consider better options eventually. I hope you all come around eventually becuase without numbers , change is impossible.

[Smally]

Originally posted by Buzzerker:

I've played this game when I was unemployed and I had time , I personally don't see how you even find it entertaining in the slightest. I've played wargames with cardboard maps and chits that were more exciting than this mess. Paradox needs to modernize their games , I for one will not waste money on any more DLC , no more portraits, songs , shields , or E-books for me. good luck to you all, I realize when you love a genre like this and only one company is churning out grist for your mill , you go to that company for what you gotta have but enough is enough. I refuse to perpetuate this stupid design of theirs that they have made into several titles, It's brilliant from the standpoint of a lazy , greedy developer but from a player's perspective it makes you consider better options eventually. I hope you all come around eventually becuase without numbers , change is impossible.

1)This has nothing to do with my post, spout your opinion in your own post.

2)It is entirely based on opinion, I enjoy playing this game, a lot actually. I dont really care if they are 'money grabbing' because i'm entertained and as I bought it all on sale it didn't cost too much either.

3)This is the first Paradox Grand Strategy i've ever played so they aren't 'churning out grist for [my] mill' they are providing me with a game that I find enjoyable. Why are you even coming onto the forums for a game you dont like anyway.

[Smally]

Also, problems fixed, I gave him land and he stopped with the adventure. Thanks for the help everyone, this is why I hate it when people say gamers are all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, forums like this with people helping eachother are what they need to be looking at.

[EM-10]

For the record, as the Roman Emperor I had an adventurer pop up and say he was going to come at me. Amusingly enough (and in desperation because I couldn't get enough plot power) I asked the Ecumenical Patriarch to excommunicate his ass. The Ecumenical Patriarch did so and the adventurer threat countdown just disappeared immediately.

[Shadok]

Originally posted by Kurogane:

For the record, as the Roman Emperor I had an adventurer pop up and say he was going to come at me. Amusingly enough (and in desperation because I couldn't get enough plot power) I asked the Ecumenical Patriarch to excommunicate his ass. The Ecumenical Patriarch did so and the adventurer threat countdown just disappeared immediately.

Oh my gosh that is awesome.

My most recent adventurer was my own brother. He managed to take over Egypt instead of going for my throat. With him there as a King, he couldn't go for me. Plus I got a brotherly ally who's a king rank.

Everything went better than expected.

[76561198006416723]

even if the adventire mechanic is counterable and not impossible to face, it's still very pointless and broken, there was no need for it to being added

[Japzzi]

I had a adventurer come after my butt once.. I captured his wife somehow and he never came to fight me.

[Shadok]

While they're a pain when they go for you, it's pretty hilarious when they come to your lands and tell you how they're going after one of your enemies.

You just sit there and go "Well. Okay. Have fun with that."