Novgorod Republic?

[Chadner]

So I've conquered everything that is de jure kingdom of Novgorod and I was wondering how do I create the republic of Novgorod? Any advise?

[Marmalio]

I know how create any republic. Only need a coast and a duchy.

Use this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrQbmvV1XAE

[Chadner]

Originally posted by Marmalio:

I know how create any republic. Only need a coast and a duchy.

Use this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrQbmvV1XAE

Well ♥♥♥♥. I have the kingdom of Novgorod. Console commands, here I come.

[Surimi]

Novgorod the county isn't actually coastal and the duchy has no coastal provinces, so in order to be a republic in game terms its capital would have to be outside of the duchy of Novgorod altogether.

In truth, CK2 as it currently stands isn't really equipped to represent the government system of Novgorod, the closest would probably be an elective monarchy with extremely low crown authority rather than the mechanics depicted in 'the republic' expansion. Indeed, the ruler of an independent Russian duchy is called a grand prince, which was the title given to the ruler of Novgorod.

[Chadner]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

Novgorod the county isn't actually coastal and the duchy has no coastal provinces, so in order to be a republic in game terms its capital would have to be outside of the duchy of Novgorod altogether.

In truth, CK2 as it currently stands isn't really equipped to represent the government system of Novgorod, the closest would probably be an elective monarchy with extremely low crown authority rather than the mechanics depicted in 'the republic' expansion. Indeed, the ruler of an independent Russian duchy is called a grand prince, which was the title given to the ruler of Novgorod.

I'll have you know I managed to pull it off. Here's how:

1. Create your character.
2. Choose a random county (make him a vassal of somebody and make sure that county is on the coast and has a city holding). Revoke that city.
3. Resign and play as your liege (or use the "play" console command).
4. Revoke your character's county playing as your liege.
5. Now immidiately give it back to him, this will make him a Lord Mayor.
6. Give him a duchy.
7. Resign and start the game with your own character.

You are now the leader of a merchant republic.

[Surimi]

Originally posted by Charmander:

You are now the leader of a merchant republic.

True, but the capital of that republic won't be in Novgorod or even in the duchy of Novgorod because Novgorod has no coastal provinces. :P

My other point was that despite what EU4 says, Novgorod historically probably wasn't a republic in the sense the game defines a republic. More like a highly plutocratic feudal society where overall leadership wasn't hereditary.

[Chadner]

Originally posted by Deep Hurting:

Originally posted by Charmander:

You are now the leader of a merchant republic.

True, but the capital of that republic won't be in Novgorod or even in the duchy of Novgorod because Novgorod has no coastal provinces. :P

Nah, doesn't matter, I am now a king-tier merchant and control Karelia and all of historical Novgorodian areas.

This is pretty awesome.

Also, my colour is green and it says "NOVGOROD" in all caps on the map over my realm so I'm happy. I made Ingria (part of duchy of Estonia) my capital since it was pretty much the only choice.

[Langkard]

Now all you need is to change your title to Posadnik.

[Chadner]

Originally posted by Langkard:

Now all you need is to change your title to Posadnik.

It's Knyaz right now. (Playing with Historical Immersion Project mod).

Can you tell me how to change it?

[Langkard]

Originally posted by Charmander:

Originally posted by Langkard:

Now all you need is to change your title to Posadnik.

It's Knyaz right now. (Playing with Historical Immersion Project mod).

Can you tell me how to change it?

I have no idea. It's buried in the .dds files somewhere. Since it isn't in the text files, it isn't something I know how to change. Posadnik would just be the Russian title for Mayor, anyway. I was just making a pointless observation.

[Chadner]

Originally posted by Langkard:

Originally posted by Charmander:

It's Knyaz right now. (Playing with Historical Immersion Project mod).

Can you tell me how to change it?

I have no idea. It's buried in the .dds files somewhere. Since it isn't in the text files, it isn't something I know how to change. Posadnik would just be the Russian title for Mayor, anyway. I was just making a pointless observation.

I also have no idea what Knyaz means.

[Surimi]

'Knyaz' means 'prince'.

[Langkard]

The Grand Prince of Kiev (sometimes called Grand Duke) is the Velikiy Knyaz. Velikiy just means Great or Grand. The word knyaz doesn't translate perfectly into English, which is why it is sometimes given as Duke and sometimes as Prince. It means a prince who rules, essentially a king, as opposed to a prince who is just a member of the royal family. The word ultimately derives from the same Indo-European language source as the Proto-Germanic word for king, kuningaz. In the Baltic-speaking areas, the word was kunigaikštis. They are all pretty much the same. It is unfortunate that in the western parts of Europe there is a similar title, Grand Duke or Archduke, but which means a title lower than a king. In Slavic and Baltic Europe and Eastern Germanic regions, it was definitely used for a king-like position of rule.

The Slavic title which more closely resembles what we think of as a feudal duke in the west would be voivode, although it is used mostly in southern Slavic regions. It also has some non-English connotations attached to it, being more associated with a military position or warlord, than a feudal title.

Sorry for the pedantic post, but this stuff has always fascinated me.

[Chadner]

Originally posted by Langkard:

The Grand Prince of Kiev (sometimes called Grand Duke) is the Velikiy Knyaz. Velikiy just means Great or Grand. The word knyaz doesn't translate perfectly into English, which is why it is sometimes given as Duke and sometimes as Prince. It means a prince who rules, essentially a king, as opposed to a prince who is just a member of the royal family. The word ultimately derives from the same Indo-European language source as the Proto-Germanic word for king, kuningaz. In the Baltic-speaking areas, the word was kunigaikštis. They are all pretty much the same. It is unfortunate that in the western parts of Europe there is a similar title, Grand Duke or Archduke, but which means a title lower than a king. In Slavic and Baltic Europe and Eastern Germanic regions, it was definitely used for a king-like position of rule.

The Slavic title which more closely resembles what we think of as a feudal duke in the west would be voivode, although it is used mostly in southern Slavic regions. It also has some non-English connotations attached to it, being more associated with a military position or warlord, than a feudal title.

Sorry for the pedantic post, but this stuff has always fascinated me.

Kuningaz is awfully close to kuningas, which means king in Finnish. Strange since Finnish is finno-ugric and not germanic.