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Visi Feb 26, 2015 @ 7:52pm
Kingdom name is dynasty name
I searched the forums but I couldn't really find an answer to this. I'm playing as a Zoroastrian Persian trying to reform the Persian Empire. I just created the Kingdom of Persia, but instead of saying "Persia" in big, glorious letters on the map, it has my dynasty name. I know this is how Muslim kingdoms/empires work, but I didn't know it was for anyone outside of them. Is there a way to change it to where it says "Persia" instead? I tried using the Ruler Designer Customization Pack DLC but it doesn't change. It has the name as "Persia" and the adjective as my dynasty name, and it won't keep any changes made to the adjective. Any help would be appreciated.
Last edited by Visi; Feb 26, 2015 @ 10:55pm
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Thundercracker Feb 26, 2015 @ 9:50pm 
Originally posted by Visi:
I searched the forums but I couldn't really find an answer to this. I'm playing as a Zoroastrian Persian trying to reform the Persian Empire. I just created the Kingdom of Persia, but instead of saying "Persia" in big, glorious letters on the map, it has my dynasty name. I know this is how Muslim kingdoms/empires work, but I didn't know it was for anyone outside of them. Is there a way to change it to where it says "Persia" instead? I tried using the Ruler Designer DLC but it doesn't change. It has the name as "Persia" and the adjective as my dynasty name, and it won't keep any changes made to the adjective. Any help would be appreciated.
i believe it's not only muslems, but also all middle eastern cultures.

try switching to a european culture, and see what happens.

Originally posted by Thanos:
Seems a bit silly to say this but there is a DLC for that. It's called the "Customization Pack" and here is the description:

"Do you think your character has an ugly beard? Trim it! (And get a haircut while youre at it...) Want to change the name of your kingdom to Awesomia? Do it. Does your faithful vassal have a stupid dynasty name or shield? Customize them! The Customization Pack allows you to alter all of these things in-game. It has no effect on gameplay, but perhaps on your peace of mind."
not sure if that would override the family name thing, but it's worth a shot, as i have that one, and am a zorastorian persian ruling the persian empire, in a bit i'll test it.
Last edited by Thundercracker; Feb 26, 2015 @ 9:52pm
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Lonesome 77 Feb 26, 2015 @ 10:24pm 
Ummmm........turn the map view from dynasty view to independent realms view....?
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Thundercracker Feb 26, 2015 @ 10:35pm 
it IS in independant realms view. middle eastern places almost always default to family names. it's not the "abbasid empire", it's the "Arabian empire".

the OP said ruler designer, but ther meant customizer DLC. when you use it, it lists the empire name and the "adjective". the empire name is "the persian empire", and the adjective (in my game) is "Abbasid". it will NOT accept any changes made to the adjective, and keeps "Abbasid"

i think most of us assumed it was only something tied to having muslem religion, it might also apply to zorastorians. it might also be tied to middle eastern cultures.

as i dont mind "abbasid" on the map, and my game is ironman, i am not going to switch to greek to test. sorry.
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Visi Feb 26, 2015 @ 11:04pm 
Originally posted by Thanos:
Seems a bit silly to say this but there is a DLC for that. It's called the "Customization Pack" and here is the description:
Apologies, I referred to the wrong DLC in my OP. I own the Customization Pack and have it enabled.

Originally posted by LORD GALVATRON:
it IS in independant realms view. middle eastern places almost always default to family names. it's not the "abbasid empire", it's the "Arabian empire".

the OP said ruler designer, but ther meant customizer DLC. when you use it, it lists the empire name and the "adjective". the empire name is "the persian empire", and the adjective (in my game) is "Abbasid". it will NOT accept any changes made to the adjective, and keeps "Abbasid"

i think most of us assumed it was only something tied to having muslem religion, it might also apply to zorastorians. it might also be tied to middle eastern cultures.

as i dont mind "abbasid" on the map, and my game is ironman, i am not going to switch to greek to test. sorry.
Thank you for your responses.

I can't say whether or not it applies to all Middle Eastern cultures, but it definitely applies to Persian Zoroastrians. It's really unfortunate that this seems to be mandatory. I'd much rather have the actual kingdom/empire names.

I'm also playing on Iron Man, so going through the trouble of switching cultures only to potentially switch the Kingdom name back once returning to my original culture doesn't seem practical.

I guess I'll just edit my dynasty to "Persia". :rshocked:
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Lonesome 77 Feb 26, 2015 @ 11:14pm 
Okay, I just thought I'd make sure that it wasn't simply in dynasty view lol.
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Visi Feb 26, 2015 @ 11:16pm 
Originally posted by Vikingr:
Okay, I just thought I'd make sure that it wasn't simply in dynasty view lol.
After 300+ hours I know my map modes pretty well. lol.
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Lonesome 77 Feb 26, 2015 @ 11:17pm 
Originally posted by Visi:
Originally posted by Vikingr:
Okay, I just thought I'd make sure that it wasn't simply in dynasty view lol.
After 300+ hours I know my map modes pretty well. lol.

Didn't look at your profile. I would hope you would with that amount of play time haha!
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Thundercracker Feb 26, 2015 @ 11:26pm 
Originally posted by Vikingr:
Originally posted by Visi:
After 300+ hours I know my map modes pretty well. lol.

Didn't look at your profile. I would hope you would with that amount of play time haha!
hey, you never know!
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John Hadley Feb 27, 2015 @ 2:31am 
You can make your own game mod to make it so that the dynasty names will not be shown on the map as described in this forum post:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/203770/discussions/0/846958223144471813/

To be sure your mod contains any new changes from the latest version of the game it needs to be made from freshly edited base game files for that version, which is why I include the above link that describes how to do it. Here's a download link to one I made for the current version (2.3.3):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qepljs5piy592og/no_dynasty_names_2_3_3.zip?dl=0

To use it you unzip it in My Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II, then you start Crusader Kings II and on the page where you select the DLCs to use you need to click on the Mod tab and enable it by checking it. You cannot earn Steam achievements while you have any mods enabled. If you don't want to use the mod then start the game without that mod checked.

You should start a new game to use with the mod. I think most of the names are determined and placed in your save file at the very start of the game so the mod needs to be in at that time to affect all of the names.
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Thundercracker Feb 27, 2015 @ 3:18am 
he's playing ironman, mods are not an option.
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John Hadley Feb 27, 2015 @ 3:35am 
Yes, no mods allowed in ironman. If you want to earn Steam achievements then will just have to deal with the default naming.
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Racketeer Feb 27, 2015 @ 5:04am 
Originally posted by John Hadley:
Yes, no mods allowed in ironman. If you want to earn Steam achievements then will just have to deal with the default naming.

Some mods are allowed. Check "remove baby cries" and "remove ambient noise", those are must-have and are compatible
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Surimi Feb 27, 2015 @ 8:02am 
As others have said, it's tied to Persian culture and the only way I know to remove it is culture modding, which would break iron man.

Terms like "Persia" and "Iran" basically mean "land of the Persians" or "land of the Aryans" respectively. The idea of using "Persia" to describe the kingdom/empire itself is a bit anachronistic, because the kingdom was generally associated with the dynasty who ruled it, not the culture and language of the people who lived there.
Last edited by Surimi; Feb 27, 2015 @ 8:03am
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DMT Feb 27, 2015 @ 9:18am 
Some cultures use the dynasty names as realm names (religion apparently doesn't matter): Persian is among them:

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Cultures
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Visi Feb 27, 2015 @ 4:03pm 
Originally posted by Deep Hurting:
As others have said, it's tied to Persian culture and the only way I know to remove it is culture modding, which would break iron man.

Terms like "Persia" and "Iran" basically mean "land of the Persians" or "land of the Aryans" respectively. The idea of using "Persia" to describe the kingdom/empire itself is a bit anachronistic, because the kingdom was generally associated with the dynasty who ruled it, not the culture and language of the people who lived there.

Yeah, but if the customization pack allows me to rename England "Big Booty Town", I don't think giving the option to display the Kingdom/Empire name instead of the dynasty name through the same DLC is anymore ahistorical or anachronistic.

Anywho, thanks for all the responses people. I guess I'm just out of luck when playing Ironman.
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