Unable to wage war against the pope?

[Cydonia]

Hello everyone and sorry if this has ever been discussed before, but I am facing a problem in my Byzantium playthroughregarding the conquest of the county of Rome.

When I first tried it, I did it through a vassal's claim to the prince-bishopry. The war was easy, but after it I only owned the two monasteries, while the rest still belonged to the papal states. I tried to declare war again on a country claim, but there was no declare war button at all on the diplomacy menu, nor against the pope nor against each vassal.

So then I decided to do it by myself, with a personal claim to the prince-bishopry instead of a vassal's, yet the same problem appears.

I had never seen any situation like this before, and any other claims work fine (I have holy warred my way through Asia, and de jure claimed european Byzantine lands with no problems at all). Is there something wrong? Why am I not getting all the Papal holdings in the county, and why can't I wage war anymore against the pope?

Thank you all in advance.

[Cynrith]

if the the rest were occupied by someone else at the time you wouldn't get them, or the caim might have been for the 2 churches. the whole "not being able to decalre war might be because he might be landless(you cannon declare on someone with out land) , and you acttauly should be declaring against the duke of lantium, or the king of italy both have near the same colors as the papal state, and have rome as de jure. they may have aquired it when you were attacking, because you only got the 2 churches. are you sure he has vasals? if he does and you can't declare the game is glitched, or like i said he has no more holdings, and someone with a very white title color has rome. i personally always use the fabrcate claim, which works fine. check to make sure it's actually the pope you want.

[Sol]

If he was at war with someone else at the same time he might have already surrendered the title?

[Pax]

Have the same exact problem.

[Safi]

Hi everyone,

I have the same problem. Playing as the Byzantian Empire:
I've fabricated a claim on the county of Rome, went into war with the pope and won. Then I wanted to fully control the county, thus I've declared war on Italy aswell who had 1 barony there.
Now I sadly realise that out of 7 tiles in Rome 3 still belongs to the Papacy (1 town: Viterbo, 2 barony: Tivoli and Anagni).
Problem is, there is no declare war button in the pope's diplomacy menu and all his vasals are "not independent" so I can't attack them.

Any help is welcome,
Thank you

[Donathan Cheadledge]

You only need control of the main prince bishopric for the byzantine grand schism event anyway, just install a courtier or vassal there.

You only fabricate a claim on the county, not their baronies if they have full control of them instead of control through a vassal.

[Safi]

Isn't

completely_controls = c_roma

means you have to hold the whole county?

[g_bokisa]

I'm pretty certain this is a bug with the newest expansion.

I'm also having the same issue. Essentially has me no longer playing the game till this is fixed.

And retired - it's you need to control the entire area, not just the county.

The only work around that I have found - assasinate the Barons till the Pope inherits. Then you can declare war one at a time and take the cities/churches/barony. JUST MAKE SURE YOU TAKE THE POPE's BARONY LAST.

[Hancelot]

@ g_bokisa Thanks, that helped me alot, Christianity doesn't like me at all for being a murderous trucebreaker, but it worked! Thanks man!

[Mikey]

Harry, after each war assassinate the pope, that will reset the truce ;)

[Kronatherm]

I have the exact same problem. I'm the Byzantine Empire, I took Rome and re-united Catholicism and Orthodoxy. The Papacy stills holds the County of Orvieto; I can't declare war on the Count of Orvieto because he isn't independent and his liege the Pope still "resides in Rome" and I can't declare war on him.

[Evil Crusader]

As said, assassinate all the holders till the Pope directly holds the place, then war without unpausing (if you unpause, he'll grant the county).