Can Christian Lords raid?

[Preacher]

I have the option to convert my culture and be Norman which grants raiding, but I don't want to waste 200 prestige just to find out I can't raid if Christian(Plus, I'm in Ironman Mode)

[Nehebsis]

As far as I know Christians can only raid when tribal. See Ireland, 769 bookmark.

[Reverend Belial]

If you get a cultural ability to raid then you can raid as any religion (as far as I know).

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Reverend Belial:

If you get a cultural ability to raid then you can raid as any religion (as far as I know).

I don't think Normans can raid.

[Sun Tzu]

Christian can definitely raid as nomad, nomad is the best playstyle

[saintdenis]

I was able to raid during my Norse game, even though I changed to being Christian and feudal. So the answer to your question is from my experience "yes, you can".

[Rajiin Terra]

Feudal christians can't raid. Wish they could, but infortunatly they can't.

[saintdenis]

Originally posted by Rajiin Terra:

Feudal christians can't raid. Wish they could, but infortunatly they can't.

That statement is not true. (as I "proved" right above your post).

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by saintdenis:

I was able to raid during my Norse game, even though I changed to being Christian and feudal. So the answer to your question is from my experience "yes, you can".

I highly doubt this. Raiding isn't connected to culture. It's connected to faith and/or government type.

[saintdenis]

Originally posted by Falk0:

Originally posted by saintdenis:

I was able to raid during my Norse game, even though I changed to being Christian and feudal. So the answer to your question is from my experience "yes, you can".

I highly doubt this. Raiding isn't connected to culture. It's connected to faith and/or government type.

I just loaded up my game to double check and yes, I can raid my neighbours (both christian (edit: if overseas) and pagan), although I am playing a Christian, feudal ruler. My ability to raid is tied to my culture (Norse).

Come on, I'm not making this ♥♥♥♥ up.


Edit: I just triple checked, of course the ability to raid can be tied to culture. Where do you take the statement that raiding isn't tied to culture from?


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[Rene]

Originally posted by Falk0:

Originally posted by saintdenis:

I was able to raid during my Norse game, even though I changed to being Christian and feudal. So the answer to your question is from my experience "yes, you can".

I highly doubt this. Raiding isn't connected to culture. It's connected to faith and/or government type.

I don't think this is true any more. Since Horse Lords, some things are connect to relgion, some to government and some to culture.

I took a quick look in the game files, and norman has this line: "seafarer = yes". Most if not all altaics have the slightly clearer "allow_looting = yes". But though Norse has both lines, it's decendants (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian) have only the seafarer one.

I'd think the fastest way to test this is start a new, non-ironman game as any of these cultures (Norman or non-Norse North Germanic) and see what you can do.

Edit: huh, ninja'd.

[Cryten]

Man the wiki information is really out of date. Nothings been updated since the Rajas of India. most of the wiki is like this and is full of out of date guides so I was not able to check if the norse culture has the raiding perk.

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Rene:

I don't think this is true any more. Since Horse Lords, some things are connect to relgion, some to government and some to culture.

I took a quick look in the game files, and norman has this line: "seafarer = yes". Most if not all altaics have the slightly clearer "allow_looting = yes". But though Norse has both lines, it's decendants (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian) have only the seafarer one.

I'd think the fastest way to test this is start a new, non-ironman game as any of these cultures (Norman or non-Norse North Germanic) and see what you can do.

Edit: huh, ninja'd.

That explain a lot. I haven't played 2.4.X yet as I want to finish my Ironman saves from 2.3.X first. So raiding in 2.3.X is tied to Religion and/or government type and now in 2.4.X it's tied to culture. Curious why they changed it though.. And I don't know how to feel about this change...

Originally posted by Cryten:

Man the wiki information is really out of date. Nothings been updated since the Rajas of India. most of the wiki is like this and is full of out of date guides so I was not able to check if the norse culture has the raiding perk.

Get your info from the source, check game files :)

[Racketeer]

Originally posted by Falk0:

Originally posted by Rene:

I don't think this is true any more. Since Horse Lords, some things are connect to relgion, some to government and some to culture.

I took a quick look in the game files, and norman has this line: "seafarer = yes". Most if not all altaics have the slightly clearer "allow_looting = yes". But though Norse has both lines, it's decendants (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian) have only the seafarer one.

I'd think the fastest way to test this is start a new, non-ironman game as any of these cultures (Norman or non-Norse North Germanic) and see what you can do.

Edit: huh, ninja'd.

That explain a lot. I haven't played 2.4.X yet as I want to finish my Ironman saves from 2.3.X first. So raiding in 2.3.X is tied to Religion and/or government type and now in 2.4.X it's tied to culture. Curious why they changed it though.. And I don't know how to feel about this change...

It is actually quite awesome. You don't need to play norse pagan to raid and navigate rivers anymore, you can do it just by selecting one of the cultures that can do that. Similarly, you can raid your neighbours when you are altaic, nevermind your religion, and that makes muslim turks even stronger, since they not only get huge taxes but also raiding money.

On the other hand, it is not possible to stop the raids anymore by just converting norsemen to christianity. You actually need to conquer the land and replace the lords with other cultures.

[Preacher]

I don't have any DLCs, but the big question is; Can Feudal Catholics Raid? If not, where in Notepad can I change this?

[Surimi]

Normans cannot raid, as they are in the Latin culture group. However, feudal Christians of north germanic or altaic cultures can raid (only against non-Christians though).

Altaic cultures in particular were rather hard-hit by the debuff to horse archers, though, so one could argue that for them it's compensation.