Can't Recreate Duchy of Amalfi

[Great Lakes Wildebeest]

apparently if for any reason amalfi gets wreched such as my common thing of claiming it as venice so i can make the kingdom title but since the horse lord patch happened every new game I start once amalfi gets dislanded its gone for good no vassal i stick on the county (yes they arn't placed under a duke i am the king of lombardy and he's my vassal and he is a republic) and he never creates the title anymore.

So under many new games i've tried taking the county as other republics and such and dispite having the money and the fact that it costs no piety i just cannot create the title it is anyone else having this problem? Also the cheat to give the title does not work either but the one to get a claim on it does.

Best i can figure its some sort of glitch with adding in the new government systems because the titles only requirement is still to be a merchant republic

I don't run with any mods when i play the game btw

[Tymefor]

fairly sure the Duchy of Amalfi is a titular not landed. Its used in the game to give the Amafi Doge the required ducal level to have a MR. The COUNTY of amalfi is part of the duchy of Salerno.

[Great Lakes Wildebeest]

Yes that is true but its capital was set to the county of amalfi. Before horse lords came out that meant that if a count level republic who was not a vassal of a duke they could create the title without issue if they owned the capital and had the 200 gold to do so.

On a side note the dutchy of gotland is broken now too? Its the only title of similar creation points than the dutchy of amalfi so i'm trying it now and apparently it exists in the landed_titles.txt but it doesn't exist in the game while its running which is kindof (depending on when you like to turn feudal/republic in the scandinavian region) important and it doesn't even require being a republic. Perhaps the horse lords patch did something that turned all titular duchys that dont have de jure land titles and only the capital non-creatable

[Tymefor]

I don't think its broken I believe its intended. They exist only for people wanting to play them from a bookmark.

[Great Lakes Wildebeest]

I don't see how natural flow of events would be intentionally halted essentially if you play from charlemagne start it pretty much guarantees that all the existing republics will be engulfed by the surrounding AI. Genoa always starts ♥♥♥♥ with lombardy and gets the title revoked. Venice is the only one that might exist by late game except that half the time a random adventurer destroys it. And amalfi will probably end up being revoked by the byzantium or a salarno dejure war which will destroy it anyway. The only way now that the republics continue to exist is through player efforts

[Tymefor]

Ah Charlie starts. Don't expect so much :)

[Tymefor]

From groogy in regards to this.

"Not in-active as in not being held by anyone but in-active as in "does not exist at all". Don't know how to express it better. It was more of an interface issue as you could search up some titles that can never be created ever again or will never be creatable and when you hover over the Create button we can't really explain that this title doesn't exist because clearly you are looking at it. So in the 769 date you can still search for Kingdom of Sweden or Titular Duchy of Visby and similar even if they are not held by anyone because they are still "active" however the ones hidden are titles such as the Golden Horde which might never be created ever. But mostly it is to hide dynamically created titles that can never be interacted with by player hands and only exists under the hood in the engine. "

[Varainger]

Do you run the 2.4.3 Beta ?

Should be fixed in there:

- - No longer inactivates titular titles that should be creatable (Caliphates, Duchy of Visby, etc.)

Yea Rhodry thought of this as well first, but it's not these titles that are affected.

[Tymefor]

yeah I just noticed that to lol

[Great Lakes Wildebeest]

I don't think i can run an active iron man game while using the beta right? I'll certainly play around with it if they get it to work but.

Also I didn't know this problem extended to caliphates i don't play muslims that often I guess it makes sense as a shia event rising in africa later took over the crumbling abassids on my playtrhough last week and never made the shia caliphate after holding all the requirements