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Garuda Jul 19, 2015 @ 3:39pm
How does one survive manzikert as the byzantines?
I've always tried to survive the 1066 start for the byzantines. How can you survive the eventuall turkish storm?
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Blazer15 Jul 19, 2015 @ 3:49pm 
holy war your way up thru central eroupe and then from all the kingdoms and give them out to your most loyal vassals
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Garuda Jul 19, 2015 @ 3:55pm 
Originally posted by wblazer15:
holy war your way up thru central eroupe and then from all the kingdoms and give them out to your most loyal vassals

Lol you sure?
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GeekedLemur Jul 19, 2015 @ 3:59pm 
orthodox cant holy war catholics......
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whlightnin Jul 19, 2015 @ 4:33pm 
Ignoring the...unique first reply, my only advice is to just hire a ton of mercenaries. Attempt to pass Small Feudal Tax in order to get enough monthly income, and whatever you do, do not attempt to go into Persia and attack them. Wait in advantageous Anatolian/Armenian mountains across rivers for the Turks to actually move against you. If you're lucky, they'll assault some outer holdings and take just enough losses.
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Bitt3rSteel Jul 19, 2015 @ 4:46pm 
Defence in depth: Allow the Turk to assault the southern counties, expending manpower while you consolidate your forces. each time he sieges a county, move down a few counties away and unsiege one, without taking too many losses. once he has expended some of his troops, look into luring him to attack your army in the mountains, preferably over a river. Crush his initial army and smooth sailing from there. Even the roaring Lion can never reach the Mighty Eagle. Glory to Rome!
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Garuda Jul 19, 2015 @ 5:00pm 
Originally posted by Bitt3rSteel:
Defence in depth: Allow the Turk to assault the southern counties, expending manpower while you consolidate your forces. each time he sieges a county, move down a few counties away and unsiege one, without taking too many losses. once he has expended some of his troops, look into luring him to attack your army in the mountains, preferably over a river. Crush his initial army and smooth sailing from there. Even the roaring Lion can never reach the Mighty Eagle. Glory to Rome!

Ave brother. Thank you for the advice.
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Garuda Jul 19, 2015 @ 5:00pm 
Originally posted by whlightnin:
Ignoring the...unique first reply, my only advice is to just hire a ton of mercenaries. Attempt to pass Small Feudal Tax in order to get enough monthly income, and whatever you do, do not attempt to go into Persia and attack them. Wait in advantageous Anatolian/Armenian mountains across rivers for the Turks to actually move against you. If you're lucky, they'll assault some outer holdings and take just enough losses.

Ok, thanks.
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Blazer15 Jul 19, 2015 @ 5:03pm 
no i meant like the salvic pagans and eventualy norse and romuva
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Cowtow Jul 19, 2015 @ 6:36pm 
Most of the guys answered your question.
But I have a few advice to you pay attention to the attrition especially if you decide to go on the offensive, and usually in some of my games anatoliais suffering from the plagues try to avoid that as much as possible.

Don't give lands to your brothers, you might regret it later.
Conquer minor muslim states, usually carthage is wide open.
When you beat the enemy they might break up in civil wars further weakening the seljuks.
Don't give many lands to vassals with crappy heirs (ambitious or envious)
I know that these are common advice but they are crucial and potential game changers.
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Garuda Jul 19, 2015 @ 7:06pm 
Originally posted by This ain't my name.:
Most of the guys answered your question.
But I have a few advice to you pay attention to the attrition especially if you decide to go on the offensive, and usually in some of my games anatoliais suffering from the plagues try to avoid that as much as possible.

Don't give lands to your brothers, you might regret it later.
Conquer minor muslim states, usually carthage is wide open.
When you beat the enemy they might break up in civil wars further weakening the seljuks.
Don't give many lands to vassals with crappy heirs (ambitious or envious)
I know that these are common advice but they are crucial and potential game changers.

Yeah i remember awhile back seeing how if you kill their faction leader thye instantly go to civil war.
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Legionary Guard Jul 19, 2015 @ 7:59pm 
Originally posted by Inbred Austrian Duke:
I've always tried to survive the 1066 start for the byzantines. How can you survive the eventuall turkish storm?
Call up every soldier you have (Which should be around 20k), wait in western Armenia until the Turks get attritioned down to about 22k, then park your army in a mountainous province right next to the Turkish force. With a bit of luck, you should smash the Turkish force. Try and get Alp Arslan killed as well. His children should face civil war.

Get your heir killed or disinherited. Seriously. He's useless. Actually, most of the Doukas family has poor traits. You might want to switch to Isaakios Komnenos or his brother Alexios after the initial Turkish invasion's been beaten back.
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Garuda Jul 20, 2015 @ 5:21am 
Originally posted by Pizza-Sempai:
Originally posted by Inbred Austrian Duke:
I've always tried to survive the 1066 start for the byzantines. How can you survive the eventuall turkish storm?
Call up every soldier you have (Which should be around 20k), wait in western Armenia until the Turks get attritioned down to about 22k, then park your army in a mountainous province right next to the Turkish force. With a bit of luck, you should smash the Turkish force. Try and get Alp Arslan killed as well. His children should face civil war.

Get your heir killed or disinherited. Seriously. He's useless. Actually, most of the Doukas family has poor traits. You might want to switch to Isaakios Komnenos or his brother Alexios after the initial Turkish invasion's been beaten back.

Definetly going for Alex, hes historically one of the greatest byzantines emperor. What are Diogenes traits actually? Ive never actually seen them.
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Garuda Jul 20, 2015 @ 5:21am 
Originally posted by Pizza-Sempai:
Originally posted by Inbred Austrian Duke:
I've always tried to survive the 1066 start for the byzantines. How can you survive the eventuall turkish storm?
Call up every soldier you have (Which should be around 20k), wait in western Armenia until the Turks get attritioned down to about 22k, then park your army in a mountainous province right next to the Turkish force. With a bit of luck, you should smash the Turkish force. Try and get Alp Arslan killed as well. His children should face civil war.

Get your heir killed or disinherited. Seriously. He's useless. Actually, most of the Doukas family has poor traits. You might want to switch to Isaakios Komnenos or his brother Alexios after the initial Turkish invasion's been beaten back.

Definetly going for Alex, hes historically one of the greatest byzantines emperor. What are Diogenes traits actually? Ive never actually seen them.
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Bitt3rSteel Jul 20, 2015 @ 9:49am 
while i agree Alexios is best, how would you change to him? He has a differnt dynasty and the gmae is all about keeping YOUR dynasty in power
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Garuda Jul 21, 2015 @ 6:17am 
ALP ARSLAN DIED BEFORE I EVEN ASSEMBLED MY TROOPS! VICTORRYYYYYYY!!
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