China foreshadowing?!?

[SLAMNUTS]

I was playing as the pecheneg nomads when I got an event. The event was the emperor of China demanding a tribute, you could accept and lose some gold, or refuse. I chose to refuse because I wanted to see what happened next, a few months later I got another event which was a letter from the Emperor (Although it didn't depict him like letters usually do) saying he was going to restrict trade with me. I was wondering what you guys thought, I figured this could be a little hint at a future expansion, especially sense before ther Raja's of India expansion, there was an event about a traveler who went to "The mythical land of Hindustan".

[Houthi George]

The devs have already said on the official forums that they plan on adding China eventually.

[Kalh]

If they add China i wonder how they are going to not make it overpowered , because the 700-900 it's Tang dynasty then 960-1280 Song dynasty , it's China golden age. The Abassid will be a joke compare to them.

[Taiwan Number One]

Hope we get a Crusade focused expansion first as it's in the title. Bit misleading to name your game "Crusader Kings 2" and then focus on everything else.

[SLAMNUTS]

Originally posted by ᠬᠦᠪᠢᠯᠠᠢ ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ:

The devs have already said on the official forums that they plan on adding China eventually.

Lmfao I feel like an idiot now, I thought I had found some hint or something lol.

[SLAMNUTS]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

Hope we get a Crusade focused expansion first as it's in the title. Bit misleading to name your game "Crusader Kings 2" and then focus on everything else.

What would they do for the crusades? They're already in the game, and its a fairly good mechanic.

[Taiwan Number One]

@Rostrich

Give it some actual depth. I'm not an expert on the Crusades, but I believe these were huge events in the Catholic world and it's brushed over. Every Crusade goes as follows:

Pope: There is a Crusade.

Pope: We won or We lost.

Pope: The end.

We have an event chain for demonic children, but not for the thing mentioned in the bloody title?

[Surimi]

Originally posted by ᠬᠦᠪᠢᠯᠠᠢ ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ:

The devs have already said on the official forums that they plan on adding China eventually.

Not quite.. a couple of quite senior people in the development team have stated that they would like to make the entire Eurasian continent playable. We also have the personal opinion of one developer that some of the common arguments against China's inclusion are not as strong as is often claimed because the development team can do what it wants. The former is old news, the latter is stating the obvious. Nothing concrete at all.

Incidentally, if you accept the event then the Emperor sends you an ambassador to administer trade in your realm. The ambassador is of the Khitan culture. Now, either this is a placeholder, or it suggests that the "Emperor of China" in this case is actually the Liao Emperor rather than the Song Emperor. The Liao are already in the game on some start dates and are fully playable.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea of adding China, because I can basically see it going one of two ways. Either China just steamrolls all the way to the black sea with its unstoppable blob armies, or they give it some handicap like Ming in EU4 to try and keep its behaviour historically accurate and it just sits there for the entire game taking up CPU without really making much difference to anything.

[SLAMNUTS]

Originally posted by Steve Saint James:

@Rostrich

Give it some actual depth. I'm not an expert on the Crusades, but I believe these were huge events in the Catholic world and it's brushed over. Every Crusade goes as follows:

Pope: There is a Crusade.

Pope: We won or We lost.

Pope: The end.

We have an event chain for demonic children, but not for the thing mentioned in the bloody title?

What kind of event chains would you? Plus crusades, especially the ones that take place in Jerusalem can cause lots of turmoil after the crusades. If you really involve yourself, you can offer to join any defensive war Jerusalem gets in post-crusade (Assuming they're independent), not to mention holy orders are tightly tied to the crusades as well, so thats add a level of depth. It goes alot farther than just you win or lose, I've seen the Abbassids collapse because of a Crusade, there levies were basically all destroyed so tons of revolts essentially fractured there realm, its quite interesting the events they can cause.

[Zednaught]

The two main concerns are
-stability/bugs. This is an issue with every expansion, but China would be a massive place, especially if they add enough provinces to account for its huge population.

-would it be fun? China's history at the time seems to lack as much of the dynamism and factionalism of that makes CK2 exciting. Is there a way to make to internal politics interesting inside a massive and usually stable kingdom? What restraints would be in place to stop a China from being unstoppable, but would mechanics that stop that blobbing make them unenjoyable to play?

I'm not saying it isn't possible....just that when looking at Rajas of India, anther huge expansion, the results were only decent, not great.

[saifungchen]

We could have added several MASSIVE rebellions in China to make it more balanced so the Player needs to focus on taking on rebels instead of Conquering the WHOLE WORLD.

Tang Dynasty

The An Shi Rebellion (安史之亂, Ānshǐzhī Luàn; 756–763) was a rebellion by An Lushan and Shi Siming against the Tang dynasty. It was also known as the "Tianbao Rebellion" (天寶之亂, Tiānbǎozhī Luàn) from the name of the Chinese era during which it began.

The rebellion spanned the reigns of three emperors. The first emperor, Xuanzong, escaped to Sichuan (幸蜀). Xuanzong's army demanded the death of an official, Yang Guozhong, and his cousin, Lady Yang (楊貴妃). Emperor Suzong (唐肅宗), (3rd or 4th) son of Xuanzong, was proclaimed emperor by the accompanying army and eunuchs while another group of local officials and Confucian literati proclaimed another prince at Jinling (today Nanjing).

It was begun by An Lushan in the 14th year of Tianbao but, after the assassination of his son An Qingxu, the revolt was led by his former subordinate Shi Siming. The rebellion was suppressed during the reign of Daizong by generals Pugu Huai'en, Guo Ziyi and Li Guangbi. Although successful at suppressing the rebellion, the Tang Dynasty was badly weakened by it and in its remaining years was troubled by persistent warlordism. The death toll of the rebellion according to various sources, including suppression and famine, is estimated to be about 36 million,[3] which was the highest death toll for any event for nearly 1200 years, until World War II surpassed it with over 62 million deaths.
Yuan Dynasty

The Red Turban Rebellion (紅巾起義, Hóngjīn Qǐyì) was an uprising against the Mongols. Since the 1340s, the Mongol-ruled Yuan Dynasty was experiencing problems. The Yellow River flooded constantly, and other natural disasters also occurred. At the same time, the Yuan Dynasty required considerable military expenditure to maintain its vast empire. This was solved mostly through additional taxation that fell mainly on the Han Chinese population which constituted the lowest two castes in the four castes of the people under the Yuan Dynasty much influenced by the White Lotus Society members that targeted the ruling Yuan Dynasty. (COPIED FROM WIKI :) )

[saifungchen]

I know the event for Tang is a little bit "before" the start of the game.. but i mean u can do some tweaks to it and make it work somehow?

[saifungchen]

Tang dynasty 618–907 > Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms 907–960
> Liao dynasty 907–1125
> Song dynasty 960–1279 > Yuan dynasty 1271–1368 > Ming dynasty 1368–1644

[saifungchen]

Maybe make events like those Adventurers ones (IF this King does not have X prestige or X something, these peasants would revolt and create their own nation inside the Kingdom.

[saifungchen]

Also add like a super attrition place west of China so the player needs to research up to X tech in order to avoid that penalty.

[saifungchen]

oh now i think of it CKII should also put more attention to CULTURE. Because different cultures causes many problems in History (like how the Scots hate the English..the Byzantines hate the Turks). They should add that culture thing in EU IV to CK II. (If ur country has too little of X culture, Y would happen)