When do Viking Raids end?

[Throwback Jay]

As stated in the title, how long are these things supposed to go on? I am currently a petty king of Wessex in 832. Also, does the game cheat and send multiple viking raids when it finds out youre in a serious war? I need all my forces in the east against Essex, and 2-3 raiding fleets hit me at Somerset, Dorset, and Glouchester.

I end up getting white peace because I exhaust all of my troops bouncing back and forth between stopping viking raids and trying to take Essex territory.

Thanks all for the help.

[Nehebsis]

Ah! What a question! They don't. No, they won't stop. It will only get worse. Unless you just wipe the germanic faith out.

[Prestogizmo]

Originally posted by Falk0:

Ah! What a question! They don't. No, they won't stop. It will only get worse. Unless you just wipe the germanic faith out.

They really do get worse, as the pagans get larger raiding parties as time goes on.

The only way I've found to avoid them is to be the the very poorest provinces around, as the AI sends them to the richer provinces. If you have nothing for them to take....

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Prestogizmo:

The only way I've found to avoid them is to be the the very poorest provinces around, as the AI sends them to the richer provinces. If you have nothing for them to take....

Being poor sucks though... Ask Kenny. Another way to avoid being raided is just upgrade all the walls and forticifaction in the top and sub holdings of costal provinces. This way the entire loot bar will be protected and raiders will get nothing from sitting on your costal provinces.

Or you could try the "switzerlake" achievement of EU4 in CKII and just avoid owning costal provinces ^^'

[Racketeer]

Germanics traverse rivers, switzerlake play won't help :|

[Prestogizmo]

Originally posted by Racketeer:

Germanics traverse rivers, switzerlake play won't help :|

Yup. Nutty vikings. I've even had them raid places off rivers and coasts where they can't get the gold. Although I've never seen them in the alpine province....

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Racketeer:

Germanics traverse rivers, switzerlake play won't help :|

Only major rivers and with a high enough fort level where the major river reachs the sea even that can be prevented.

[Amycus]

Far as I know you have 2 possibilities: Either end the norse faith by converting them... or if you cant beat them, join them and convert to the norse faith. Then you can raid yourself ;)

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Amycus:

Far as I know you have 2 possibilities: Either end the norse faith by converting them... or if you cant beat them, join them and convert to the norse faith. Then you can raid yourself ;)

I would only convert to Germanic if they are reformed.

[Amycus]

Originally posted by Falk0:

Originally posted by Amycus:

Far as I know you have 2 possibilities: Either end the norse faith by converting them... or if you cant beat them, join them and convert to the norse faith. Then you can raid yourself ;)

I would only convert to Germanic if they are reformed.

You could try to reform it yourself (doesnt the religious authority increase when a ruler converts to that religion? Should give you a good boost). Or only convert as a young ruler, and then convert again to catholicism as your ruler grow old. As long as you have a concubine that is catholic, you can easily go back whenever you want to through an event in the intrigue window.

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Amycus:

You could try to reform it yourself

Yea except you need at least three holy sites which can be tricky depending on where you started.

[Amycus]

Originally posted by Falk0:

Originally posted by Amycus:

You could try to reform it yourself

Yea except you need at least three holy sites which can be tricky depending on where you started.

Use subjugate CB on sweden/norway/denmark, fabricate claim on one ofthe others, and use the coastal county CB on new Zeeland whenever the current holder is weak, or alternatively, the "planned invasion" CB if there isnt any other place you rather use it for.

And there is nothing stopping you from trying to get the norse religious sites while you are still catholic. That might of course be a bit hard depending on your start though.

[Legionary Guard]

Originally posted by Throwback Jay:

As stated in the title, how long are these things supposed to go on? I am currently a petty king of Wessex in 832. Also, does the game cheat and send multiple viking raids when it finds out youre in a serious war? I need all my forces in the east against Essex, and 2-3 raiding fleets hit me at Somerset, Dorset, and Glouchester.

I end up getting white peace because I exhaust all of my troops bouncing back and forth between stopping viking raids and trying to take Essex territory.

Thanks all for the help.

Short answer: You can't end it.
Long answer: Place retinues at your richest coastal province, so whenever they go to raid, they'll always go to that province and will promptly get wiped out by the levies. From there, it's just a matter of following the boats back to their Nordic home, sacking the county of whatever petty chief had the balls to (try to) raid you, taunting them for the irony, capturing him, and then executing him the day before the hostilities end. No matter how many chiefs you murder, they never learn, but it sure is fun to do.

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Amycus:

Use subjugate CB on sweden/norway/denmark....

Look mate, I know how to play, thank you. All I was saying is that it can be tricky/annoying to do so if you rule somewhere around the Mediterranean.

[Ragnarök]

This is a huge problem regarding the Germanic Pagan ai. They are literally incapable of uniting/reforming since they were reworked. I've never seen it happen once. The raiding should stop by 1066, no later. Call it "End of the Viking Age". Ideally it should be brought about with a much higher probability of the HRE coverting up through Denmark and Norway, highly unlikely as is because of the stupid forced gavelkind laws. Even if Norway and Sweden do wind up existing somehow, it's never long until the whole thing falls on its ass again and creates a whole new batch of Norse ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ad perpetuam. No use trying to proselytize.

And don't give me that spiel about "Oh that would hamper replayability/creativity/whatever!" The devs had no problem with making an event that settles the Magyars after they take Hungary, this is no different. Provided that the country isn't being played by a player, all but the most remote Norse countries should be Christianized by 1066 and raiding should cease.

Forcing players to outright conquer all of Scandinavia, when they had no plans for it isn't fun. It's like burning down a primeval forest just because the mosquitos won't stop bothering you. It's absurd. Fix it Paradox.

[Nehebsis]

Originally posted by Ragnarök:

This is a huge problem regarding the Germanic Pagan ai. They are literally incapable of uniting/reforming since they were reworked. I've never seen it happen once. The raiding should stop by 1066, no later. .... Fix it Paradox.

Well you're a jolly fellow. This is a history simulator... It would be kind of boring if everything happened at fixed dates through events in every game.. Would destroy the replayability. And YES! I am going to give you that spiel because it's true, that simple.

If you are that annoyed by it just conquer Scandinavia, put a gentle christian in charge and grant him independence. There done. That only took 5 years ingame.