Why is hungary still broken?

[RedKrypton]

I like the old gods and I started as Austria and Hungary formed next door. Now the king of hungary has 20.000 troops and invaded Anatolia. The game feels broken, when a kingdom gets as much troops as Byzantium and the Karling dynasty.

[markdb92]

He is given the troops to take over the rest of hungary but if he has it all then he gets less troops. You could declare war on him and bleed some of those troops down even if lose the war.

[EQCR]

Event spawned troops dont replenish.

[Langkard]

I've seen Arpad and the Magyars fail miserably. In my current game, I started as Dyre the Stranger. I avoided the Magyars because of their large event stack. As usual they went off to Pesht to try and take the Pannonian Basin. While there, they got hit by a competing Moravian invasion and the defense by Bulgaria. They got trashed. Meanwhile, the Severian tribe and the Khazars both decided to go after the Eastern original portions of the Magyars. It was all over for the Magyars in just a few years, with the event spawn troops totally wiped out and then I gobbled up the pieces with my nifty subjugation casus belli. By 900, the Magyars were no more.

[_DaWe_]

Yeah, the AI needs those troops to form Hungary and persevere. Sometimes they are able to expand far, but usually they just keep the de jure kingdom. In the hands of the player however, those troops really are deathstacks and can take over half of Europe in a few years.

[Taiwan Number One]

30k is a bit much. but the AI generally doesn't do anything with them aside from take and form Hungary. I once saw a case where Bulgaria, by some miracle, defeated the Magyar invasion.

[RedKrypton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από EQCR:

Event spawned troops dont replenish.

But even after he invaded anatolia he still has 20000 troops left.

[RedKrypton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SlowedMussel735:

30k is a bit much. but the AI generally doesn't do anything with them aside from take and form Hungary. I once saw a case where Bulgaria, by some miracle, defeated the Magyar invasion.

They took half of the east roman empire!

[RedKrypton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από _DaWe_:

Yeah, the AI needs those troops to form Hungary and persevere. Sometimes they are able to expand far, but usually they just keep the de jure kingdom. In the hands of the player however, those troops really are deathstacks and can take over half of Europe in a few years.

But if the manage, they are unbeatable.

[Langkard]

Yes. You're at the mercy of random things. The consensus is that the Magyar event stacks to form Hungary are overpowered. I think the same applies to the Great Heathen Army event stacks in Jorvik. Paradox probably decided to go with the bigger stacks to at least somewhat mirror the historical events which led to the formation of Hungary and the Danelaw. They usually succeed. But they don't always succeed.

As I said above, I've seen the Magyar hordes fail miserably and I've also seen the Norse fail miserably in Northumbria. It all depends on random things like results of close battles, the randomly generated traits of the attackers and the defenders and which other realms get involved. That's what makes the game replayable. It is never the same game twice.

[Taiwan Number One]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KW RedKrypton:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SlowedMussel735:

30k is a bit much. but the AI generally doesn't do anything with them aside from take and form Hungary. I once saw a case where Bulgaria, by some miracle, defeated the Magyar invasion.

They took half of the east roman empire!

I've seen them attempt the same in my games so it doesn't surprise me. Perhaps, Paradox will fix SE troops in the future though I doubt it.

[Jirki88]

I've seen Jorvik settle for taking one province off Northumberland and then head out into a useless attrition war against Wessex, eradicating all their event troops and establishing them as a marginal annoyance for the southern british rulers. The AI needs those stacks, but in the hands of a human player they can be quite OP. It's something you have to accept since it'd be hard making the AI as good as a human player.

[Cheese]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SlowedMussel735:

30k is a bit much. but the AI generally doesn't do anything with them aside from take and form Hungary. I once saw a case where Bulgaria, by some miracle, defeated the Magyar invasion.

Probably had their King captured in battle.

[RedKrypton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SlowedMussel735:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από KW RedKrypton:

They took half of the east roman empire!

I've seen them attempt the same in my games so it doesn't surprise me. Perhaps, Paradox will fix SE troops in the future though I doubt it.

Update: They invaded greece too.

[RedKrypton]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Langkard:

Yes. You're at the mercy of random things. The consensus is that the Magyar event stacks to form Hungary are overpowered. I think the same applies to the Great Heathen Army event stacks in Jorvik. Paradox probably decided to go with the bigger stacks to at least somewhat mirror the historical events which led to the formation of Hungary and the Danelaw. They usually succeed. But they don't always succeed.

As I said above, I've seen the Magyar hordes fail miserably and I've also seen the Norse fail miserably in Northumbria. It all depends on random things like results of close battles, the randomly generated traits of the attackers and the defenders and which other realms get involved. That's what makes the game replayable. It is never the same game twice.

I can wrap my head around the norse, but one of the most powerful and most developed realms to this time getting beaten by a horde of magyars, with worse equipment than the greeks is a shameful display. The game treats everyone's troops on roughly the same level. Having a 2% boost is nothing.

[Langkard]

Well, the strength of the Magyar and then Hungarian military was substantial. They invaded and pillaged the Kingom of Italy multiple times. They invaded and defeated Bulgarian and Byzantine armies multiple times. They defeated 3 different East Francia armies and raided and pillaged as far as the North Atlantic and even into Spain. That's a rather impressive record for the time, considering they were fighting the Eastern Roman Empire, the First Bulgarian Empire and the Karlings - all at the same time.