Crusader Kings II

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ropestring3 Dec 13, 2024 @ 12:11pm
Mod for weaker females?
if frail gives -10 personal combat strength, and dwarf gives -15, shouldn't women have somewhere around -15 to -20?
For realism?

Is there a mod for this?
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pauloandrade224 Dec 13, 2024 @ 12:13pm 
thankfully not.

and women are way strong than u think as well. at best id put a minus 5 to prowess.
ropestring3 Dec 13, 2024 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by pauloandrade224:
thankfully not.

and women are way strong than u think as well. at best id put a minus 5 to prowess.

"Men vs Women Punching Power Study: Male average power during a punching motion was 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman."

first result google
Alex Dec 13, 2024 @ 12:25pm 
Then just make the mod.
ropestring3 Dec 13, 2024 @ 12:26pm 
no im too dumb dont have code skill
galadon3 Dec 13, 2024 @ 2:00pm 
Originally posted by ropestring3:
Originally posted by pauloandrade224:
thankfully not.

and women are way strong than u think as well. at best id put a minus 5 to prowess.

"Men vs Women Punching Power Study: Male average power during a punching motion was 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman."

first result google

I honestly tried to get something on that topic searching google and not just going with the first result, after one of those "its so unrealistic that there are female fighters"-discussion (in a fantasy world so not a historical argument), what I found that sounded not wholy driven by agendas, still ranged from about a 30%+ in case of men on average, to stuff like your cited 2.5 times as strong. Thats to say internet-sources aren't really reliable for that, even if you try to filter out the worst agenda-driven stuff (from "there is NO difference at all" to "women, I don't even know how they can support their own body-weight given how weak they are, should stay in the kitchen anyways")

Btw. especially "punching power" is a really bad meter for that, since we have a culture that discourages most girls / women from said punching so most of the test-subjects have some inhibitions about punching and tend to pull their punch even when its not another being thats targeted. Meaning for a real test you should take for example male and female professional boxers of the respective weight-classes cause you can get rid of that factor.
I suspect you'd still have a difference then but way less spectacular then a factor of 1:2.5.
Last edited by galadon3; Dec 13, 2024 @ 2:00pm
i don't see how being weaker is goring to be that massive of a decree in combat strength when In sword fighting, agility is generally considered more important than raw strength and reach is way more important so i wouldn't compare it to being a dwarf
pauloandrade224 Dec 13, 2024 @ 2:10pm 
Originally posted by ropestring3:
Originally posted by pauloandrade224:
thankfully not.

and women are way strong than u think as well. at best id put a minus 5 to prowess.

"Men vs Women Punching Power Study: Male average power during a punching motion was 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman."

first result google
that sounds like some agenda thing or fake. not saying ur the fake one i mean the search result
redragons Dec 13, 2024 @ 2:14pm 
Maybe the women that take up the sword are going to be intensely motivated, because less motivated more average would not do so. In any case, I find a charismatic and tough female commander to be immensely epic.
Menkerot Dec 14, 2024 @ 4:00am 
Originally posted by pauloandrade224:
thankfully not.

and women are way strong than u think as well. at best id put a minus 5 to prowess.
any man can punch any woman so hard she will die on the spot. Not the other way around tho.
galadon3 Dec 14, 2024 @ 4:58am 
Originally posted by Menkerot:
Originally posted by pauloandrade224:
thankfully not.

and women are way strong than u think as well. at best id put a minus 5 to prowess.
any man can punch any woman so hard she will die on the spot. Not the other way around tho.

Are you trying to clown farm?
So a 1.5 meter shrimp with no muscle mass can punch a world class female boxer dead, because of the magical power of having a penis.... sure buddy
Originally posted by galadon3:
Originally posted by Menkerot:
any man can punch any woman so hard she will die on the spot. Not the other way around tho.

Are you trying to clown farm?
So a 1.5 meter shrimp with no muscle mass can punch a world class female boxer dead, because of the magical power of having a penis.... sure buddy
i think hes just a bad troll i just cant see any one thinking that
Seva Adom Dec 15, 2024 @ 11:04am 
Absolutely not. Firstly anyone who knows anything about combat sports knows why boxing is the king of combat sports & towers well above MMA/UFC in terms of commercial appeal

Boxing's rules & in particular its gloves slows blows, makes defending hits with blocks easier & much more. All of this combines to eliminate the inherit luck that is involved in bare knuckle boxing & UFC. Meaning the most skilled boxer can usually win bouts reliably.

Very few MMA fighters go undefeated even in their prime unlike boxers.

Bladed combat is even more of a crap shoot, if you train a woman into bladed combat she will be far more successful than a male who is not.

Female fencers although generally sub par to males are still able to reliably score points against them, ie kill them. Very few fencers go undefeated.

If anything females at max should gain -5 to combat score but no where near that of a dwarf.

Bladed duelling is a crapshoot irl when combatants are even remotely matched. What you've saw in the movies is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, watch fencing to see how boring and really luck dependent dueling with swords is when both people are trained.

I think CK2 combat scoring is great, it is completely fesiable for a 10 personal combat scored char to kill a 200 scored one, those who do not understand odds come to these forums and make fools of themselves at least once per month. I feel the system fully accounts for the crapshoot that is IRL bladed dueling.
Last edited by Seva Adom; Dec 15, 2024 @ 11:09am
Langkard Dec 15, 2024 @ 6:21pm 
I'm fairly certain that most self-proclaimed Type A, macho manly men would absolutely be incapable of dealing with monthly menstrual pain for most of the lives and/or the pain of childbirth. I'm also fairly certain that Ronda Rousey or Gina Carano could kick any of their pathetic butts.
ropestring3 Dec 15, 2024 @ 7:43pm 
Originally posted by Langkard:
I'm fairly certain that most self-proclaimed Type A, macho manly men would absolutely be incapable of dealing with monthly menstrual pain for most of the lives and/or the pain of childbirth. I'm also fairly certain that Ronda Rousey or Gina Carano could kick any of their pathetic butts.
all im asking, guy, is for them to have a personal combat malus (or men a bonus) to reflect their weaker physique. its only you who seem to think physical weakness makes you a bad person or something. and again, even the strongest females are weaker than your average man, as per the above study.
roach Dec 15, 2024 @ 10:49pm 
dear god can someone close the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thread
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