Whiteshirt Feudal

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Hi guys !

Yesterday I've tried my first game as Halfdan Whiteshirt (867 start for those who wonder). I was wondering why he's unreformed pagan but Feudal ? Is it just because he's a special character ? In that case can I change the succession law directly (after 10 years) from Gavelkind to something more stable ?

Second question: If I attack an army whose standing on a county where another neutral army is already standing, why do I fight both armies ? It almost lost me the game yesterday when my large Ragnar's sons armies had to fight East Anglia (large army but neutral) + Mercia ( small army and enemy).

Thx
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[Nehebsis]

Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong on your first question, I haven't played CKII 2.4 yet.

While you do need to reform your faith before you can adopt feudalism (changing your tribes into castles) you can aquire castles in other ways. Request invasion, holy war, conquest, etc... Since most Counties have a castle as top holding it's fairly easy to aquire one.

[serviettedetable]

Just want to clarify: Whiteshirt is Feudal at the start of the game. Unreformed Germanic Pagan + Feudal.

[Rene]

The actual rule is that you can't adopt feudalism as an unreformed pagan tribal. There's no rule against being feudal and unreformed pagan. I think that in this case you will be restricted to regular Gavelkind.

There are a couple of other unreformed pagan feudals in the game that I know of: 1066 Pommerania, the Zunists, maybe 1066 Erik the Heathen as well.

You can become feudal pagan by education, conquering a county with that religion, then make it your capital and use the decision to convert to capital religion, or settling as a nomad. But I don't really see why you would want that.

[.siiimon]

regarding your second question: i think that only happens if the owner of the neutral army is allied to your opponent in a different war... call it comradery or something, they won't let their allies fight on their own - can be quite the nuisance.

[Mentos]

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thx zak that make sense.

[brandygbarnes]

Originally posted by 'zak:

regarding your second question: i think that only happens if the owner of the neutral army is allied to your opponent in a different war... call it comradery or something, they won't let their allies fight on their own - can be quite the nuisance.

Or they could be flagged as a looter more likely.

[.siiimon]

Originally posted by brandygbarnes:

Or they could be flagged as a looter more likely.

true, but then wouldn't they appear as hostile prior to battle?

i was talking about actual neutral armys (grey in color)... i have seen those become a problem under the circumstances i described.

[Losk Osmanthus 路渐秋凉]

easiest way to get castle/feud vassel is through peasant upraising.

Those upraisers are default feuds.

AI is able to acquire feud this way, but players are regulated. HA!

[brandygbarnes]

Originally posted by 'zak:

Originally posted by brandygbarnes:

Or they could be flagged as a looter more likely.

true, but then wouldn't they appear as hostile prior to battle?

i was talking about actual neutral armys (grey in color)... i have seen those become a problem under the circumstances i described.

No because if its that armies territory your in. You wont be hostile until you are in their county.