Tanistry inheretance missing in my Scottish Game

[Terozo]

As a ew player I don't know too much about the mechanics of the game so please bare with me. After the initial (default) Tanistry Succession in my game, the Succession Law has converted to Gavelkind with no option to switch it back.

As far as I can see (from the wiki) my kingdom fulfills all requirements to use / regain that law but the only other law I have the option of selecting is Elective Gavelkind.

Does anyone have ideas or suggestions as to the cause of this issue? The only reason I can think of currently is that while the majority of my kingdon is celtic, I do have an Anglo-Saxon county though I would not have thought that would be enough to remove Tanistry as an option.

[Ronnie Glyndŵr]

Tanist succession is celtic culture. That is your culture not the counties you own culture. You also require low (or anything higher than low) crown law. It could have been chnaged by a faction in the kingdom if you had a regency at the time or if you have acccepted an ultmatium from a faction.

[Terozo]

Thanks for the response.

If that is the case, I would have assumed it would still appear as an option but be greyed out for the duration of the blockage.

Also, are there any cultures or factioins that are strictly limited to agnatic succession? There are currently no options to change that side of succession either.

*Edit*

Wait.. Does that mean if my current king is for some reason NOT celtic, that would prevent Tanist succession?

[Langkard]

Yes. The ruler has to be a Celtic culture for Tanistry to be an option. If for any reason you change cultures, it defaults to gavelkind. If your culture is not Irish, Scottish, Pictish, Welsh or Breton then Tanistry is disabled, even if everyone else in the realm is one of those.

As for agnatic, do you mean what cultures have only male heirs? That would be many, but especially Muslim and Nomad which can only be male inheritance. Most of the others can be changed from agnatic-cognatic to agnatic only.

[Terozo]

Sorry for the late response. It took me a while to get back into the game.

Having just checked I can confirm my leader is indeed Celtic (and Catholic, for whatever that is worth in thi case). https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wdbd0haykz2dss/CK2-Scotland-1.png?dl=0

All my direct vassals have a positive opinion of me and the only vassal war in a while has ended with a truce, so there are currently no ongoing hostilities as far as I am aware.

Succession Laws: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2vot446nebstia/CK2-Scotland-2.png?dl=0

[Ronnie Glyndŵr]

I've got an idea not sure it's been a while since I've played as a Celtic character. It may be because your crown law isn't high enough. It has to be low and I believe it's seperate to tribal law

[Terozo]

That seems to be exactly it, thanks. After adopting Feudalism all of the succession laws appear to have unlocked.

I had been confusing the tribal organisation law for crown law all this time. It's a little disappointing however, I had hoped to play the majority of the game with a Tribal government structure but I'd found that the Gavelkinds to be far too disruptive as it is (unless I am doing something wrong).

I find it strange though, that the (867) Scotland start, starts with Succession Laws that should not be available and are promptly removed / rescinded once the first succession passes. Hence all of my confusion.

Thank you everyone for all the replies and putting up with my newbishness ^.^

[Squid]

Gavelkind might be manageable if you only hold one high-level title, such as one Kingdom or one Empire, because it can prevent the entire realm from being divided on succession. However, note that if you have a Kingdom and you hold enough provinces to create another de jure Kingdom, that Kingdom will be created automatically and awarded to an heir if there is a valid second heir, even if you didn't create the title.

I was able to keep Scandinavia together as an Empire after a Gavelkind succession, but the loss of so many demense holdings and other titles still erodes the Emperor's power, so I am working to adopt a new succession law as soon as possible.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

The only way to play large scale gavelkind is be ruthless and learn to love tyranny, or just get used to crushing your relatives for their titles after each succession.

[Scipio]

Relevant anecdote with question:
I just managed to create a Scandinavian (Norway-Denmark-Ireland plus change) Empire after two successive kings died early, both with two infant sons. In both cases the younger son got Denmark and Ireland, and in both cases he died by accident almost immediately giving me everything back by inheritance.
I was too young to plot, but is it likely that NPC regents murdered off the younger kid in both cases?

[Ronnie Glyndŵr]

As a non-pagan you can increase tribal law without penalty so when ever you can (every 10 years I think) so you can adopt feudalism hike up crown authority to low and chose tanist succesion. The law probbaly changed by something you did on accident, you should be able to maintain laws you can't have if you start with it.

[Ronnie Glyndŵr]

Originally posted by Cornelius:

Relevant anecdote with question:
I just managed to create a Scandinavian (Norway-Denmark-Ireland plus change) Empire after two successive kings died early, both with two infant sons. In both cases the younger son got Denmark and Ireland, and in both cases he died by accident almost immediately giving me everything back by inheritance.
I was too young to plot, but is it likely that NPC regents murdered off the younger kid in both cases?

whom were the regents, your imediate family is likely to kill to aid you if they like you. When I was playing as a West African my Bastard wife was trying to kill my nephew to get our son to be the one heir.

[Scipio]

Nice. Immediate family regents it is.

[Squid]

Originally posted by kaiyl_kariashi:

The only way to play large scale gavelkind is be ruthless and learn to love tyranny, or just get used to crushing your relatives for their titles after each succession.

I think if you are playing Ironman mode, you just have to crush your relatives for their titles. Killing off too many dynasty members or not having enough children means that you run the risk of someone dying at a bad moment and ending your bloodline.