Why has a vassal with 100 opinion joined a faction to replace me? Pics to help expain.

[laagamer]

As the title suggests, I have a vassal that started a faction to install my younger brother on the throne. So, naturally, that's 2 supporters there, making up only about 38%.

Now, a vassal that has 100 opinion of me not only joined this faction to usurp me, but has also changed his election succession support to the brother trying to usurp me, despite the modifiers clearly showing he should support my candidate by like 70 opinion!

WHAT. THE. HELL.

I thought I was fine, seeing as the only two members of my court that didn't like me were the original 2 faction members. Because everyone else as a positive opinion, I thought I was safe. Now, my deceased father's BEST FRIEND, who I can't stress enough has 100 opinion of me, has screwed my inheritance and given the faction wanting to overthrow me 60% of the levy!

This literally makes zero sense. What the hell am I supposed to do if people that LITERALLY CAN'T LIKE ME ANY BETTER join factions to overthrow me? He's supporting a candidate he has a -50 opinion of and passing over my candidate he has a 65 opinion of! DOESN'T THAT DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE ENTIRE MODIFIER SYSTEM?

https://imgur.com/a/63Cg3lz

[Narrowmind]

Are you playing with Conclave?

[laagamer]

Originally posted by Ratlegion:

Are you playing with Conclave?

I just installed it.

Don't tell me someone with 100 opinion will still take a payoff favor to support usurping my throne?

And I don't have the same option?

[Narrowmind]

It will actually tell you if someone has used favors to join all of their factions, because ordinarily, a person with 60+ opinion is not allow to be part of a faction. As for the candidate support, it will fix itself if it has the higher number. Resign to menu and reload in these situations, especially with the factions. Something like that can be game shattering if the percentage gets high when it shouldn't, but it fires before the game is able to correct itself.

[laagamer]

Originally posted by Ratlegion:

It will actually tell you if someone has used favors to join all of their factions, because ordinarily, a person with 60+ opinion is not allow to be part of a faction. As for the candidate support, it will fix itself if it has the higher number. Resign to menu and reload in these situations, especially with the factions. Something like that can be game shattering if the percentage gets high when it shouldn't, but it fires before the game is able to correct itself.

I'm sorry, what do you mean game shattering?

And you're saying it's a glitch? Let me load up and check.

[Narrowmind]

When you win a large war holy war, and strip the titles from a bunch of rulers, you might be tired and not want to micromanage distribution for 100 holdings, so you turn the game off and come back later. When you load up the game may say that there are factions with 1000 percent of your army size. If you unpause, the revolt will fire right away. That's why when you see something like that, it's best to get out of the game and reload, so the game has to do the math a second time for the factions, so your country doesn't collapse into a civil war.

It's not really a glitch, but sometimes, the factions can't update as fast as they can launch, and you're put into a position you shouldn't be in. There is supposed to be a 2 month waiting period before it calculates something like this against you, but it's easy to miss by mistake.

[laagamer]

Originally posted by Ratlegion:

When you win a large war holy war, and strip the titles from a bunch of rulers, you might be tired and not want to micromanage distribution for 100 holdings, so you turn the game off and come back later. When you load up the game may say that there are factions with 1000 percent of your army size. If you unpause, the revolt will fire right away. That's why when you see something like that, it's best to get out of the game and reload, so the game has to do the math a second time for the factions, so your country doesn't collapse into a civil war.

It's not really a glitch, but sometimes, the factions can't update as fast as they can launch, and you're put into a position you shouldn't be in. There is supposed to be a 2 month waiting period before it calculates something like this against you, but it's easy to miss by mistake.

I reloaded. Even the son I support as heir and had a 60 opinion of me has now joined.

All the factions members besides him are voting for another heir, and he's changed is vote away from himself as well.

It literally makes zero sense. Both new vassal members of the faction have 60+ opinion of me.

So, basically, to vassals that love me have joined a faction to install my youngest brother. Meanwhile, they've also cast their vote for the faction's supported heir, even the son I was voting for, despite having much higher candidate opinions of my youngest son. My candidate score is 50, and the one they're casting their votes for is like -30.

I reloaded all this and checked. It makes zero sense.

I'm king and I don't have the gold to buy 2 favors like that. How do they?

I did buy a bunch of DLC mid-run. Would that matter?

[Narrowmind]

I don't think it would matter. Running the game for bit might fix it. I've never seen it last for long when they were clearly supporting the wrong candidate.

[laagamer]

Originally posted by Ratlegion:

I don't think it would matter. Running the game for bit might fix it. I've never seen it last for long when they were clearly supporting the wrong candidate.

My vote for heir isn't even voting for himself.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever seen!.

[Narrowmind]

Are you still playing?

[laagamer]

Originally posted by Ratlegion:

Are you still playing?

Okay, so. This little ♥♥♥♥ younger brother that started the faction with one of my vassals is the cause of the problem. I think he's buying favors from people.

So, the original vassal of the 2 faction founders died. So, that left my younger brother (the one the faction wants to install), my 100 opinion vassal, and my youngest son (who I supported as heir but he doesn't even vote for himself, he votes for my younger brother) in the faction.

Well, the 100 opinion guy dissapeard after about 1.5 years at 78%, so that's good and it went down to 30% again. So I guess he left!

That leaves my younger brother (the one the faction wants to install and 1 of the 2 original members) and my youngest son and heir who's 18.

The youngest son has become the leader, even though he has 30 opinion of me, and I named his as my vote for successor which means he should kiss my ass.

Meanwhile, the election is nuts. My youngest brother is now the head because my oldest brother that everyone was voting for got syphilis and is nuts. My youngest son that I'm voting for (and is leading the faction to usurp me, and is voting for my younger brother over himself despite hating my younger brother modifier wise) is nowhere to be found.


So, it looks like you called the 100 opinion vassal leaving.

I'm thinking I installed the Conclave DLC and one of the 2 original faction members bought a favor from my 100 opinion vassal. But, he eventually passed some kind of opinion check and left the faction.

I still don't know why my youngest son is the leader, or in it to begin with. Especially because I gave him a landed title.

I'm sure none of that made any sense,but it was fun to type!

[that guy]

Councillors exchange favors with each other all the time so you should beware even if they don't have the gold to buy them. Also, if a vassal was forced to join a faction through a favor then they are forced to stay in the faction for ~2 years.

Originally posted by laagamer:

My youngest son that I'm voting for [...] is nowhere to be found.

If you voted for your youngest son, then logically he should have at least one vote and should show up in the list of succession candidates. Are you sure you voted for him?

[laagamer]

Originally posted by that guy:

Councillors exchange favors with each other all the time so you should beware even if they don't have the gold to buy them. Also, if a vassal was forced to join a faction through a favor then they are forced to stay in the faction for ~2 years.

Originally posted by laagamer:

My youngest son that I'm voting for [...] is nowhere to be found.

If you voted for your youngest son, then logically he should have at least one vote and should show up in the list of succession candidates. Are you sure you voted for him?

Thank you! 2 years sounds about right. Then he told them to ♥♥♥♥ off. They got up to 78 percent of the levy at one point, but they never grew the balls to confront me.

Which, given I also had a 1k retinue, kind of makes sense.

And yes, I'm sure. I was speaking generally. I think he got 2 votes, including mine, from the council.



Well, after my younger brother's faction fell apart, he still was voted my successor by the council. Thankfully, I successfully murdered the ever holy loving ♥♥♥♥ out of him. But, my youngest son (who I want to be king) is beaten for votes by 1 with my syphillis ridden older brother. It seems the bishops like him more because he's pious and older.

♥♥♥♥ it though. I'm one step below Absolute Tribal Orginization or whatever, and one more upgrade away from a stoned hillfort or whatever in my capital.

So, soon to have fuedalism and begin consolidating my power.

My biggest problem now is claims. My kindgom ecomompasses roughly 2/3 of all counites in Ireland, and I've made the rest tributaries.

I keep having my spy fabricate claims, but that takes forever. And now I don't have any good canadites with Diplomacy to fabricate. Which sucks.

[haidunia]

One easy way of getting councillors with high(er) stats is to simply press . to bring up the character finder. Filter by "join court - yes" and then click the symbol your most interested in (in your case diplomacy) to sort the list by highest to lowest diplo stat... Invite the best (male) candidate :)

In case there are no good candidates that will join your court for free, reset all filters and then filter by: diplo range - yes, ruler - no, adult, male
Sort by highest to lowest stat as before. Scroll down the list to find someone with a yellow thumbs up icon by their portrait - meaning you can bribe them to accept an invitation to your court.

[laagamer]

Originally posted by haidunia:

One easy way of getting councillors with high(er) stats is to simply press . to bring up the character finder. Filter by "join court - yes" and then click the symbol your most interested in (in your case diplomacy) to sort the list by highest to lowest diplo stat... Invite the best (male) candidate :)

In case there are no good candidates that will join your court for free, reset all filters and then filter by: diplo range - yes, ruler - no, adult, male
Sort by highest to lowest stat as before. Scroll down the list to find someone with a yellow thumbs up icon by their portrait - meaning you can bribe them to accept an invitation to your court.

Thank you!

[haidunia]

You're very welcome :)

And once you expand... consider landing your councillors before anyone else if and when you're over your demesne limit. Happy councillors really make ruling a lot easier. :)

Just remember to not put them as vassals of one of your dukes or something (a mistake I've made more than once myself), only your direct vassals or courtiers can serve on the council.