Succession Crisis

[Jaehaerys]

Okay, I've been playing a game with an Avatar mod acting as Fire Lord Sozin. I have four children with Absolute Cognatic Primogeniture Succession Law. My third eldest child and eldest son decided to challenge my other children's rights to the throne, but at the end, he was not my heir, someone outside my dynasty was. How did this happen and how can I place ANY of my children back as heir?

[alangriffith]

Absolute Cognatic just means male and female are equal. Your succession law should have a second part (gavelkind, primogeniture, elective etc.) which decides who inherits (I guess that is what the 'challenge right to rule' comes from, but its not something I've come across).

If the second part is something that exists in the main game (maybe the pagan DLC? - I only play catholic so far), then someone on here can hopefully help with your issue, or you can look it up on the wiki. But if your avatar mod invents its own succession law then its unlikely anyone can help (unless there happens to be a hardcore player of that mod on here - what is the name of the mod?), you'd need a guide to that mod or to take it up with the mod creator.

[Jaehaerys]

Originally posted by alangriffith:

Absolute Cognatic just means male and female are equal. Your succession law should have a second part (gavelkind, primogeniture, elective etc.) which decides who inherits (I guess that is what the 'challenge right to rule' comes from, but its not something I've come across).

If the second part is something that exists in the main game (maybe the pagan DLC? - I only play catholic so far), then someone on here can hopefully help with your issue, or you can look it up on the wiki. But if your avatar mod invents its own succession law then its unlikely anyone can help (unless there happens to be a hardcore player of that mod on here - what is the name of the mod?), you'd need a guide to that mod or to take it up with the mod creator.

To answer your questions, dueling for a claim comes from an official DLC called Holy Fury and usually only affects tribal rulers. The mod is called Avatar: Four Nations Restored, and the inheritance law is Full Cognatic Primogeniture. Don't know if that helps, but I'm not sure what else to add

[alangriffith]

Okay, well under primogeniture the title goes to the eldest child. According to the wiki and what I can see on reddit, the holy fury dlc duelling only allows taking an existing title right then from the duelling the current ruler, not becoming the future heir by duelling another future heir.

https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Duel

So did your eldest child (I guess daughter) inherit the title when your ruler died, and *then*
"My third eldest child and eldest son decided to challenge my other children's rights to the throne"? i.e a duel was fought between the new ruling daughter and the son, after your original ruler died?

If not, this doesn't seem to be holy fury dlc behaviour at all (unless this was changed after 3.2 and nobody has posted about it since), but something to do with your avatar mod changing how duels/sucession work.

[galadon3]

yepp as alan said, the dueling for a claim doesn't change the succession order, so if there is some mechanic that allows potential heirs to duel for becoming primary heir, that is from the mod.

[Jaehaerys]

Originally posted by alangriffith:

Okay, well under primogeniture the title goes to the eldest child. According to the wiki and what I can see on reddit, the holy fury dlc duelling only allows taking an existing title right then from the duelling the current ruler, not becoming the future heir by duelling another future heir.

https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Duel

So did your eldest child (I guess daughter) inherit the title when your ruler died, and *then*
"My third eldest child and eldest son decided to challenge my other children's rights to the throne"? i.e a duel was fought between the new ruling daughter and the son, after your original ruler died?

If not, this doesn't seem to be holy fury dlc behaviour at all (unless this was changed after 3.2 and nobody has posted about it since), but something to do with your avatar mod changing how duels/sucession work.

No, the original ruler is still alive, and all of his children are out of the succession. That's why I'm confused. On the duelling for heirship, it probably is from the mod, but I can't confirm it, and it is mentioned on the CK2 wiki page as a way to change heirs.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Jaehaerys:

and it is mentioned on the CK2 wiki page as a way to change heirs.

care to provide a link to that?

Mean it is if you KILL the heir, ot cripple him in a culture where that disqualifies for rulership, but thats not what the duell does but would be a sideeffect of the condition the heir gets from the duel.

[Jaehaerys]

Originally posted by galadon3:

Originally posted by Jaehaerys:

and it is mentioned on the CK2 wiki page as a way to change heirs.

care to provide a link to that?

Mean it is if you KILL the heir, ot cripple him in a culture where that disqualifies for rulership, but thats not what the duell does but would be a sideeffect of the condition the heir gets from the duel.

You're probably right, it DOES mention that the character gets the Kinslaying attribute as a result