Is there a way to be Christian instead of catholic in this game?

[TomCat86]

I seriously have a huge pet peeve when it comes to Catholicism. Is there any way at all, we can destroy the papacy and or be Christian?

[hiddenranger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Rob'sEvilTwin:

Will noone rid me of this turbulent thread ?!

Lol, im suprised this wasn't locked 5 pages ago.

[Neshamah]

Początkowo opublikowane przez hiddenranger:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Rob'sEvilTwin:

Will noone rid me of this turbulent thread ?!

Lol, im suprised this wasn't locked 5 pages ago.

I practically begged them to lock it days ago !!!

[Thyran]

"If you think everyone having posted here isin't educated enough and not morally correct enough.
...
Dont just come in here and insult everyone. "
-hiddenranger

Exactly. No-one is. Not a single person on earth. Oh my! ...did I now insult everyone by your standards? my, my...

:P

I see that you have an actual argumentation after that but claiming that I *insulted* anyone is such a fallacy I just couldn't bring myself to give it anything else than a simple glance.

-> Presumptions seem to make you angry Mr.HR
How can you seem to "know" so well what I think when you have such a hard time presenting yourself in a civil manner? :)

I'm not going to tell you in detail what/how I think about the world as it isn't my job as I'm not your father or caretaker.

[Thyran]

Okay. I ended up reading a bit and:
"In other words, mabey you think your too uneducated and too morally correct to discuss of religion, but not everyone feels the same way. If you think that your view is the only valid one (which I certainly hope, because it would otherwise be a "false dilema" fallacy) then demonstrate it. In the mean time, I will continue to calmy talk of the matters I wish to talk about like the laws of my country allow me to do (freedom of speech)."
-hiddenranger

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Go home.

Now, now. I'll calm down.. hihihi

What did I tell you about making presumptions about other people?
Think hard! I know you can do it! :P

[Ragdollintothewall]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TomCat86:

I am going to unfollow my post, I did not intend to have a theological debate here. Everyone has their own opinions on the matter. I personally do not consider Catholicism "Christian", not in the least bit. The bible discerns what a Christian is. The pope discerns what a Catholic is. Catholics follow a pope and a papacy, Christians follow the Bible because it is the word of God. I have catholic friends, most of them who have never even read their bible. There are also many many Christians that are not Christians.

But I will repeat, the bible discerns what a christian is. There are fake Churches everywhere, most of them celebrate pagan holidays the catholic church re wrapped as a christian holiday. All you need to do is read the bible if you want to know what a Christian is. No, wikipedia is not the bible. Mary worship, pope worship, praying to saints, idols, bowing to statues, you name it, its all bad. These are all things done and venerated in the catholic church. Yes, there were real Christians back in the day well before the reformation, but its not a widely known nor talked about subject. There were many people who actually "read" their bible. Because of that, they were not Catholic.

The only Holy father is God/Jesus. PS Jesus is not pagan, nor is he borrowed from peganism. I have looked up the claims and those are false. Jesus is legit, holidays are not, and the bible proves it. Get a KJV, not a NKJV,NSB,NIV, NLT or whatever other ones are floating around nowadays. Watch the Documentary on youtube called A lamp in the dark. It talks about what I am talking about, if you are a history buff.

LMAO you have got to be a troll. This is poe's law in action. Do you realize that the "bible" didn't exist for generations after christianity came into existence? That there were numorous gospels which people believed had varying authenticity, and we only ended up with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John after lengthy debates and numerous church councils? Of people who were catholics? Even assuming the bible is the only legitimate way to understand christianity (which it never says), what compels you to believe that one particular translation of the bible, in english, is the only real one? God just didn't give enough a ♥♥♥♥ to rightly guide people until the era of King James?

A person who REALLY wanted to do what jesus said couldn't even be a playable character in this game. Jesus instructed his followers to sell all their possessions and follow him since this world means nothing and only gods kingdom matters.

[hiddenranger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

-> Presumptions seem to make you angry Mr.HR

Presumptions? I read everything you wrote, while you openly admit to not having read much of what I wrote. Who is presuming anything then? If you think I interpreted you badly, then point out what and rectify the situation. The rest of your argumentary seems to be along the lines of: "You have quoted me wrong, thus I wont bother to consider anything that you wrote", which would be valid if you actualy demonstrated an inconsistency in what you wrote and what I wrote.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

How can you seem to "know" so well what I think when you have such a hard time presenting yourself in a civil manner? :)

I'm not going to tell you in detail what/how I think about the world as it isn't my job as I'm not your father or caretaker.

Im not the one laughting at someone else for no apparent reason (if you could explain that excessively vague second post that would be wonderful).

Its not you job to explain anything. However, being in forums and having posted in a discussion typicaly implies a willingness to exchange view points. If your not here to do that, then why are you here?

PRESUMPTION ALERT: I am going to presume (yes presume) that you have posted your view while under the impression of it be undeniably right, or simply that you have no intention of clarifying it. I justify this presumption thanks to the fact that you haven't presented anything other than reprimandations to others without offering proper justification. If my presumption is wrong, then I am happy as I will get to know your view better. If my presumption is right, then your awfully similar to a gentleman who posted a few pages back and with who communication seems to be more than tedious. In other words, theres nothing to talk about if my presumption is correct.

[hiddenranger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

I see that you have an actual argumentation after that but claiming that I *insulted* anyone is such a fallacy I just couldn't bring myself to give it anything else than a simple glance.

This looks a bit like an argument so I will try to address it while difficult not knowing what exact fallacy your talking about.

Insulting can be defined as expressing false information about someone or, in this case, a group of people. You seemed to say that no one here had the education needed to talk of religion. Thus implying that we are uneducated. This appears misinformed as one of the gentleman who posted previously has a master degree in theology.

On top of that, people can very talk about a subject without having been certified in a university (the impossibility to do so would leave to very few people being able to talk of anything). People having studied are in many cases better references, but this does not justify the fallacy of excluding an argument due to the lack of qualifications of the person expressing the argument.

You attacked people not on their arguments, but their competence. This shows complete disregard for what is being discussed here, as well as the people here. And that Mr. Thyran, is insulting. Again, if you disagree, then please say why.

[Thyran]

This time you are not acting like a child anymore and try to actually have a conversation. Congratulations! I won't treat you like one anymore.

Your presumptions are wrong, and I wasn't going to talk about it with someone who was trying to act impolitely with horrible spelling problems.

Now that I see that you are capable of having a proper conversation I still suggest you read my first comment again and ask from yourself, what is the point of it. I have no desire to shovel my views down on anyones throat, and nobody should do that.


"You attacked people not on their arguments, but their competence."
So far you are the only person that feels insulted, by the general observation that this isn't the right forum to tell people what to think.

P.S. Degree is easy to get compared of staying as a Professor. A degree is like a sports hobby you once had, and a professor is comparable to David Beckham. A very simple analogy, but should do the trick without triggering your senses to interpit it as an insult.

[Neshamah]

"P.S. Degree is easy to get compared of staying as a Professor. A degree is like a sports hobby you once had, and a professor is comparable to David Beckham. A very simple analogy, but should do the trick without triggering your senses to interpit it as an insult."

Is this directed at me ? If so, what did I do ?

[Rob'sEvilTwin]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Neshamah:

"P.S. Degree is easy to get compared of staying as a Professor. A degree is like a sports hobby you once had, and a professor is comparable to David Beckham. A very simple analogy, but should do the trick without triggering your senses to interpit it as an insult."

Is this directed at me ? If so, what did I do ?

You tried to offer an informed and reasonable opinion. On the internet no less !
I hope you have learned your lesson

[hiddenranger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

This time you are not acting like a child anymore and try to actually have a conversation. Congratulations! I won't treat you like one anymore.

This doesn't deserve an answer.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

Your presumptions are wrong, and I wasn't going to talk about it with someone who was trying to act impolitely with horrible spelling problems.

French is my first language. I do not see how my spelling impacts my argument quality, although it does make it harder to read. I apoligize for the later.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

Now that I see that you are capable of having a proper conversation I still suggest you read my first comment again and ask from yourself, what is the point of it. I have no desire to shovel my views down on anyones throat, and nobody should do that.

The problem with your first comment is that you tell us to stop talking of a subject because you judge us unable to do so. If you feel we are discussing it wrongly, then please point out our errors. Simply stating "this thread has bad comments" doesn't help anyone.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

"You attacked people not on their arguments, but their competence."
So far you are the only person that feels insulted, by the general observation that this isn't the right forum to tell people what to think.

Im probably the only one bothering to answer you. If you dont think you insult people, look at what you wrote next.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Thyran:

P.S. Degree is easy to get compared of staying as a Professor. A degree is like a sports hobby you once had, and a professor is comparable to David Beckham. A very simple analogy, but should do the trick without triggering your senses to interpit it as an insult.

You see, this is an insult. It is an insult because your analogy is false (hence a fallacy) and because you are using this fallacy to attempt to lower the perception that people have of someone's competence.
I will explain the fallacy:
A degree acknowledges the acquisition of knowledges. A professor is someone which transmits knowledge. A discussion in a forum, not being of academic interest, does not require transmission skills (although they can help). Neither does it require the knowledge of a subject (although this helps even more). But saying everything a person says in false because of too low qualifications is false (unless you prove that everything that person says is false and then indicated a high probability that this false knowledge originates from a lack of qualifications. You didn't do either.)
If you are trying to judge an argument's quality by the person saying it (which isin't necessarely bad), then a degree is what you are looking for, not a teacher. A teaching positions is based on transmition, not on knowledge (although the two can sometimes go hand in hand). If on the other hand you are looking for the best way to teach something, then a teacher would be a better difference than a degree. Does a person's qualifications make their argument valid? No. Thats what I was saying earlier.

At this point, im uncertain if your insults originate from arrogance or ignorance. If it is the later, then let me explain. Attempting to lower people's opinion of someone for a false reason is considered insulting. Attempting to lower someone's work for a false reason is considered insulting. for a false reason is considered insulting. Attempting to lower someone's forum post for a false reason is considered insulting but so regular that no one cares about that.

[Merkatz]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Cure:

Wow, this dumb thread about mythology is still alive?

It's the internet. Things that should die, don't, those that shouldn't, do... and then there's the necromancers.

[Colonel Martyr]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Merkatz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Cure:

Wow, this dumb thread about mythology is still alive?

It's the internet. Things that should die, don't, those that shouldn't, do... and then there's the necromancers.

If this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of armchair theologian professor in-fighting isn't locked in about two weeks, I'm sure a troll or goof will come along and re-ignite this tire fire. Surely the council won't object to a little

[Soteria]

The slowness of the mods to lock the thread (which apparently is explicitly disallowed under the steam forum guidelines) doesn't give one much hope as to how much attention Paradox pays here.

[hiddenranger]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Cure:

Wow, this dumb thread about mythology is still alive?

Does no one realise he is trying to reignite the fire by calling religion mythology?

If you want a topic to die, then dont post in it...