Prophet Muhammad

[crisselis]

I was browsing the characters with the Sayyid trait and I found this
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=758031912
Apparently Muhammad is a character in game , and the portrait seems to be censored

[robomagon]

Originally posted by Gradis:

No what it is, is respecting the religious believes of other people, something that in this day and age seems to be lacking. Or maybe people have never had it I don't know. Maybe I'm in the wrong here (doubt it) but if ALL people could learn to respect one another the world would be a much better place. Also I must ask, what is lost by not having a pixel representation of Muhammad? It seems to me people are arguing over it just to start an arguement.

By that logic, every portrait should be removed from the game. Since nothing would be lost without them, why waste time, effort, and disk space on them? Why do people spend money buying DLCs that do nothing but add portraits to the game if they're of no value?

Also, I was under the impression that this was a historical game, not one that depicts all the crazy crap that all the various religions of the world claim as real. There could be a "Muslim Mode" in the options that toggles whether Muhammad's face is visable. Then everyones beliefs would be respected.

[mitchincredible]

How did Paradox decide on the traits? Technically it is a characterisation of Muhammad. Now Paradox, stop making excuses and give us 1AD

I'm also really offended by the depiction of St. Peter. How dare they.

[AllyourKitty]

If you like you can mod a portrait in to replace the squiggles......I know I did.

[Death]

GAMES ARE GAMES. WHY CENSOR THEM?? WTF IS THIS WORLD

[Death]

It's a freaking medieval game, you don't want to see a lords face or anything? then don't PLAY IT!!!!!!!!

[Thundercracker]

Originally posted by Harambe The Saviour:

Originally posted by 大名 Takeda Yabusame:

then censorship all popes

yeah but christians a7rent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ savages who would massacre people because of a picture of jesus/pope

would you care to make a wager on that?

even christian vs christian sectarian violence has not fully ended... after all it was only a few decades ago that christian terrorists popularized suicide bombing.

Originally posted by Visi:

Originally posted by kazaddum:

As I said, normal for his time.
Stop being a third wave feminist that wants long dead historical persons to obey modern morals.

A third wave feminist would actually be doing what you're doing. They're pretty big fans of Islam.

i suppose this user was talking about applying modern standards to the behavior of people from prior eras.

the research on this topic this comment led me to showed me that "third wave" feminists are split over islam. while some blindly support anything that is not "white" and "christian" others decry the treatment of women in many islamic countries.

Originally posted by Visi:

Originally posted by Colonel Martyr:

It's not censored, it's the correct and proper form of representation of Muhammed. Imagery of Muhammed is forbidden to deter worship of him or his image (Idol worship). The portrait is the caligraphic representation of his name in Arabic.

This is just laughable. Yes, it is absolutely censored. It's the "correct and proper form of representation" if you're a slave to Muhammad, true, but Paradox isn't comprised entirely of Muslims as far as I know. Everyone with a working brain knows they used that image instead of an actual character because they don't want a bunch of fanatics to murder them.

your strong language reveals your bias. good chance you're an agressive atheist who refers to christians as "slaves of jesus."

there is nothing at all wrong with self-censoring something involving a contriversal topic. especially something with the potential to offend a significant percentage of the population of the planet. from a pratical standpoint, it's just good business. offended people are lost potential sales.

Originally posted by Visi:

Originally posted by Mooooooosin:

I agree censorship is stupid but it's needed. Remember Charlie hebdo? If I got that right. People are willing to take their faith above all

That is absolutely wrong. Censorship isn't needed. Coward.

caution is not cowardance. it also pays to not go out of your way to make enemies.

a quick question.... do you happen to personally know anyone who pratices islam?

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

Not all branches of islam kill you for depicting the prophet: there are whole countries that depict him normally and don't bat an eyelid.

[Colonel Martyr]

Originally posted by Visi:

Originally posted by Colonel Martyr:

It's not censored, it's the correct and proper form of representation of Muhammed. Imagery of Muhammed is forbidden to deter worship of him or his image (Idol worship). The portrait is the caligraphic representation of his name in Arabic.

This is just laughable. Yes, it is absolutely censored. It's the "correct and proper form of representation" if you're a slave to Muhammad, true, but Paradox isn't comprised entirely of Muslims as far as I know. Everyone with a working brain knows they used that image instead of an actual character because they don't want a bunch of fanatics to murder them.

It's not 'laughable' as you call it. It's called tolerance and respect. Muhammed is a historical character who did exist and played a crucial role in the creation of the Caliphate. But the caligraphic representation of his name is in fact the proper way to represent him. Paradox aren't being special and doing only his portrait. Islam, one of the largest religions, forbids imagery to prevent worship. The Quran doesn't forbid depictions of people, but it does forbid idolatry, which is where aniconism of Islam stems. Muhammed was a prophet, a voice of Allah, not Allah himself and should not be worshipped. Then the question of Allah, it's an issue of prevention of reverence for the statue/painting of god and losing the direction of worship. A more militant secularist can call it censorship, but I'd say that's something of an ignorant simplified view to it. The way I see it, it's mutual respect because it's a living religion. Sure, there's the argument of aniconism in other faiths, but much of this was either in the ancient history of a faith or more minor subsects of Christians. Islam is however a significant religion both in-game and in reality and I'm sure somewhere out there is a Muslim who plays CK2 and they want to show that player that their religion was given as much respect as possible same with the other religions in the game world (Barring things like calling sects heresies that in reality arent ((Minus some catholic ones which WERE officially declared heresy by the papacy)) )

@Pango- It depends. Usually it's Shia who are pretty okay with images of the Prophet. It's actually interesting how diverse the views of the sects of Islam are. It's like seeing the different Christian sects too.

[suchiuomizu]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

How did Paradox decide on the traits? Technically it is a characterisation of Muhammad. Now Paradox, stop making excuses and give us 1AD

I'm also really offended by the depiction of St. Peter. How dare they.

Most traits for preexisting characters are random.

[kazaddum]

Originally posted by Harambe The Saviour:

Originally posted by 大名 Takeda Yabusame:

then censorship all popes

yeah but christians a7rent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ savages who would massacre people because of a picture of jesus/pope

Imagine starting date around year 0 and mythical jesus existing (most likely several persons but lets imagine it), then gets the homosexual modifier and starts building a male harem.
Enjoy the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Or better even: Several Rabbis get the modifier "maybe Jesus", because there's no prove of him existing aside from the bible.
Enjoy the even greater ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Btw, in the US fundi christians kill abortion docs. So not even a picture is involved.
Breivik sees himself as a christian crusader...

"But those are not all christians!!!111"
Yes and the muslims going ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over a picture are also not all muslims.

Every religion has it's fair share of fanatics and ignorants.

Originally posted by Visi:

Originally posted by kazaddum:

As I said, normal for his time.
Stop being a third wave feminist that wants long dead historical persons to obey modern morals.

A third wave feminist would actually be doing what you're doing. They're pretty big fans of Islam.

Originally posted by Colonel Martyr:

It's not censored, it's the correct and proper form of representation of Muhammed. Imagery of Muhammed is forbidden to deter worship of him or his image (Idol worship). The portrait is the caligraphic representation of his name in Arabic.

This is just laughable. Yes, it is absolutely censored. It's the "correct and proper form of representation" if you're a slave to Muhammad, true, but Paradox isn't comprised entirely of Muslims as far as I know. Everyone with a working brain knows they used that image instead of an actual character because they don't want a bunch of fanatics to murder them.

Originally posted by Mooooooosin:

I agree censorship is stupid but it's needed. Remember Charlie hebdo? If I got that right. People are willing to take their faith above all

That is absolutely wrong. Censorship isn't needed. Coward.

Hi /pol/.
Gay Jesus and his male harem are greeting you.


Religion shows how thin the blanket of civilization really is.

[The Cure]

Saint Peter's in game portrait isn't upside down. I'm offended!

[Yellow]

Well I think its more of that fact of respect. If they Jesus Christ to the game as a charector you could interact with then that would be disrespectful. Especially if the game gave him bad traits...

[[CiC]Siege]

Originally posted by 73rdBuNnY:

I was browsing the characters with the Sayyid trait and I found this
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=758031912
Apparently Muhammad is a character in game , and the portrait seems to be censored

Yes he is in the game so you can see how the various dynastys relate to him it is intresting and usefull.

As for the portrait being censored as otheres have said it is generally not acceptable to represent Muhammad in visual forms (although throughout history this seems to have varried) and as it may offend people by having it there and as it would add nothing to the game to have it there the only reason you would put it there is to offend people and that is a bit dumb imho.
For those arguing it should not be "censored" you can add an image yourself if for some reason you need to do that to a non playable person, at your will so it is a total non issue.

Can this thread die now please.

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

Originally posted by Siege:

Can this thread die now please.

Unsubscribe from the thread. Just because you don't want to discuss something any more doesn't mean that no-one should be able to.

[Segovax]

Originally posted by RazorThreader:

Well I think its more of that fact of respect. If they Jesus Christ to the game as a charector you could interact with then that would be disrespectful. Especially if the game gave him bad traits...

It'd be great to get the Immortal trait as Jesus and then become the Prophesied Sayoshant.