Preventing Heir from Inheriting

[Jet]

This always pisses me off but is there a way to stop an heir from inheriting foreign land before you become him? Its always a pain in the♥♥♥♥♥dealing with other realms using elective to nab him away. Hes in a cult and highly suspicious which means he will likely get burned alive because the ai in this game is overzealous and stupidly continues this even if it means kinslaying.

Theres no way to even influence AI laws is there? Such a pain

[SKull]

Don't marry your heirs to land holders if you want to avoid this.

[a meme-based name]

if your heir is about to inherit foreign territory of a lower standing than you, you can grant them a barony and the new territory (when the kid gets it) will become part of your realm as well--they're already your vassal and then just get new territory. Even when it's a step up, like baron to duke, they'll still be your vassal.

This ONLY works if the title being inherited is less than your top title--if you hold a duchy and your kid is set to inherit a second, different duchy, he's going to be independent of you regardless--dukes can't rule dukes, for example.

[al_x_ator2411]

Originally posted by a meme-based name or somethin:

if your heir is about to inherit foreign territory of a lower standing than you, you can grant them a barony and the new territory (when the kid gets it) will become part of your realm as well--they're already your vassal and then just get new territory. Even when it's a step up, like baron to duke, they'll still be your vassal.

This ONLY works if the title being inherited is less than your top title--if you hold a duchy and your kid is set to inherit a second, different duchy, he's going to be independent of you regardless--dukes can't rule dukes, for example.

This is wrong! It only works like that when pushing claims.
If someone inherits a bigger title it automatically becomes their primary title and his liege or indipendence is decided based on it. You can only prevent that by passing the "controled inheritence law" (or medium crown authority without Conclave) OR by giving them a title equal to the one they're about to inherit.

[Jet]

Originally posted by SKull:

Don't marry your heirs to land holders if you want to avoid this.

He isnt. Its elective gavelkind from someone in my dynasty.

[Jet]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

Originally posted by a meme-based name or somethin:

if your heir is about to inherit foreign territory of a lower standing than you, you can grant them a barony and the new territory (when the kid gets it) will become part of your realm as well--they're already your vassal and then just get new territory. Even when it's a step up, like baron to duke, they'll still be your vassal.

This ONLY works if the title being inherited is less than your top title--if you hold a duchy and your kid is set to inherit a second, different duchy, he's going to be independent of you regardless--dukes can't rule dukes, for example.

This is wrong! It only works like that when pushing claims.
If someone inherits a bigger title it automatically becomes their primary title and his liege or indipendence is decided based on it. You can only prevent that by passing the "controled inheritence law" (or medium crown authority without Conclave) OR by giving them a title equal to the one they're about to inherit.

I wanted to avoid landing him but remaining his liege is the only way to save him. He is a herald in a secret society and already highly sus, so will be burned alive no doubt. Could I give him a barony and then a kingdom? or does he need a duchy too? Im gonna play as him anyway so Id end up getting it back

hes gonna inherit this duchy here so
https://ibb.co/fYNADe

[al_x_ator2411]

First of all is he even still in your realm? If he isn't you can't give him anything. If he is and you are his liege with no higher liege there is no fear of him being burned. You will decide what happens to him when a chaplain publicly accuses him of being in a forbiden society.

To be granted a kingdom one needs to have at least 1 county (a barony is enough when pushing a claim for a kingdom).

To better advise you on what is best to do, you should give us some more info. Who are you exactly (tier), what he is set to inherit (tier) & the laws of that realm, what do you intend to give him to have him stay in your realm etc.

[Jet]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

First of all is he even still in your realm? If he isn't you can't give him anything. If he is and you are his liege with no higher liege there is no fear of him being burned. You will decide what happens to him when a chaplain publicly accuses him of being in a forbiden society.

To be granted a kingdom one needs to have at least 1 county (a barony is enough when pushing a claim for a kingdom).

To better advise you on what is best to do, you should give us some more info. Who are you exactly (tier), what he is set to inherit (tier) & the laws of that realm, what do you intend to give him to have him stay in your realm etc.

i posted a pic in the post above yours but :

i am an emperor. I was planning on giving him a barony and kingdom, but since he needs at least a county i suppose i could give him a duchy instead. whatever i give him wont matter since ill get it back when i am him anyway. hes gonna inherit a duchy due to elec gavel from france.

And the land he would inherit would put him outside of my realm, under a king, who is under the emperor of france. he would most certainly be killed then. Are you saying the excommunication-> event and the execution that tends to follow doesnt apply to heirs or your children? Because its happened a lot to my siblings who i married to foreign heirs and once they were found to be cultists were promptly executed by their spouses, almost without exception. Kinslaying be damned.

[al_x_ator2411]

Sorry, I should have mentioned I reviewed your screenshot and it didn't help me much because I couldn't figure out who you were. And that part about the son being already branded as highly suspicious confused me so I thought he was already abroad. No, heirs and such are not spared and he'd dafinitely be burned in a foreign realm.

Now on to how to prevent that:
If he's inheriting a duchy, then giving him just a duchy should be enough to keep him in the realm. His 1st duchy (the one you give him) will remain his primary at the time of succession so his liege will be decided based on it. If the Francish empire has a law against that, your son will probably become unsuitable candidate for the the French duchy election when you land him.

In any case, if you land him for whatever reason, make sure he remains your direct vassal so that only you have a say on if he's to be burned or not.

[Jet]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

Sorry, I should have mentioned I reviewed your screenshot and it didn't help me much because I couldn't figure out who you were. And that part about the son being already branded as highly suspicious confused me so I thought he was already abroad. No, heirs and such are not spared and he'd dafinitely be burned in a foreign realm.

Now on to how to prevent that:
If he's inheriting a duchy, then giving him just a duchy should be enough to keep him in the realm. His 1st duchy (the one you give him) will remain his primary at the time of succession so his liege will be decided based on it. If the Francish empire has a law against that, your son will probably become unsuitable candidate for the the French duchy election when you land him.

In any case, if you land him for whatever reason, make sure he remains your direct vassal so that only you have a say on if he's to be burned or not.

I was hoping I could avoid landing but it seems i cannot. This seems the best choice then. Now is there a way for me to influence law changes in foreign realms? Is there a civil war that can lower crown laws for example?

If im gonna go through the trouble of landing my son it would suck to see them pass regulated inheritance law preventing me from taking it. In case they do is there anything I can do to change it back to free? I dont think wars to increase council power would do it, nor revocation wars since that just leads to either that or abdication.

[al_x_ator2411]

One last question, are you playing ironman? If yes, make sure he has a good wife and maybe have a spare heir before you land him because landed characters make all sorts of stupid decisions that can lead to death (you must be at least partially aware of all that hence the reluctance to land him).

Also, while I'm 99% sure about what I said above (meaning I would do exactly the same in a game of my own), there might be some aspect of elective succession or the vassal pyramid (because the inherited duchy is a vassal of a vassal) that I might be unaware of or failed to remember. So if you're not playing ironman, better save first.

Regarding foreign laws, is it Crown Authority or Council Power? The 2nd one is DLC based (Conclave) and both of them can't exist at the same time/in the same playthrough.

If it's Crown Authority, I seem to remember that it is lowered one tier each time a liege looses a major rebellion (not 100% sure haven't played without Conclave for ages). With Conclave the controled inheritance law is not influenced by the council's power so no idea how to push it back.

[Jet]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

One last question, are you playing ironman? If yes, make sure he has a good wife and maybe have a spare heir before you land him because landed characters make all sorts of stupid decisions that can lead to death (you must be at least partially aware of all that hence the reluctance to land him).

Also, while I'm 99% sure about what I said above (meaning I would do exactly the same in a game of my own), there might be some aspect of elective succession or the vassal pyramid (because the inherited duchy is a vassal of a vassal) that I might be unaware of or failed to remember. So if you're not playing ironman, better save first.

Regarding foreign laws, is it Crown Authority or Council Power? The 2nd one is DLC based (Conclave) and both of them can't exist at the same time/in the same playthrough.

If it's Crown Authority, I seem to remember that it is lowered one tier each time a liege looses a major rebellion (not 100% sure haven't played without Conclave for ages). With Conclave the controled inheritance law is not influenced by the council's power so no idea how to push it back.

Yeah i have conclave. Damn...so once a kingdom prevents inheritance thats it no choice but war. Very disappointed, I love the aspect of planning multiple generations ahead, taking the 5th to inherit and wittling down the line of succession through raids, assassinations, inviting to court and making them take the vows, using favors to invite, marrying same rank-produce heir-kill strategy, the intrigue is the part of the game i like the most. War is mostly an afterthought. Maybe HF will change that a bit for me.

If someone else knows of a way to influence ai laws lmk! Until then I will spawn paradox to make that a councilor job so chancellor isnt as useless :)