Elector titles held

[michaelhefler1]

So, I'm still fairly new to the game and just managed to form Hispania, but there is a problem.

Most of my Vassels, who had great opinions of me before, now hate me and often the reason is "Elector titles held " ( -45). I know it has something to do with my succession law ( Feudal elective) but I cant seem to understand the problem as I have been using it for multiple generations of rulers as a kingdom ( Galicia), and this never was a problem back then.

Any suggestions?

[CidDaBird]

Could I have a screenshot of it?

[Varainger]

As emperor you hold too many kingdom and/or duchy titles.
Both title tier can be electors as landed vassals.

[zoellerama]

Swtich to Primogeneture (or however it's spelled). No voting necessary.

OR

How many Duke titles do you personally hold? How many Kingdoms? Each of those has a number of votes, so you might need to destroy or hand them out (as Emperor, Kings can be your vassals, although they'll have a -25 for wanting to be Emperor).

[michaelhefler1]

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[michaelhefler1]

Originally posted by zoellerama:

Swtich to Primogeneture (or however it's spelled). No voting necessary.

OR

How many Duke titles do you personally hold? How many Kingdoms? Each of those has a number of votes, so you might need to destroy or hand them out (as Emperor, Kings can be your vassals, although they'll have a -25 for wanting to be Emperor).

I've already destroyed 2 kingdom titles with little effect.

[michaelhefler1]

Originally posted by Varainger:

As emperor you hold too many kingdom and/or duchy titles.
Both title tier can be electors as landed vassals.

So I should create and handout more duchies?

[Azunai]

you can only hold 1 duchy and 1 kingdom without that penalty IIRC. get rid of the 2nd duchy title and 2nd kingdom at least. don't remember if you're allowd to have a duchy and a kingdom, though.

to be honest, elective is a terrible law once your realm is more than a handful of easily controlled counts/dukes. switch out of it ASAP. as an emperor, even gavelkind would be better.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by zoellerama:

How many Duke titles do you personally hold? How many Kingdoms? Each of those has a number of votes, so you might need to destroy or hand them out (as Emperor, Kings can be your vassals, although they'll have a -25 for wanting to be Emperor).

1. Nope you don't have a number of votes tied to the titles, everybody who holds one or more elector titles (in case of an empire, those are King and Duke Titles who belong to the deJure Empire) gets ONE vote. So even if one of your vassals holds 3 kingdom titles and another just one duchy, they both have ONE vote each.

2. Kings only get the -25 modifier if it is your SECOND emperor-title, that modifier never happens in the areas of your primary title.

Originally posted by michaelhefler1:

Originally posted by Varainger:

As emperor you hold too many kingdom and/or duchy titles.
Both title tier can be electors as landed vassals.

So I should create and handout more duchies?

Nope non-existing titles don't give you that modifier, so creating more titles would only give you more headaches.

Could you list wich kingdom and duchy titles you personally hold atm?
You should get a -15 modifier for each elector-title after the first you hold, so you SHOULD have 3 too many (-45 you have = -15*3).

Originally posted by michaelhefler1:

I've already destroyed 2 kingdom titles with little effect.

Did you let the game progress over the next month after doing that? Sometimes the game needs a moment to register such changes.

[michaelhefler1]

Originally posted by Azunai:

you can only hold 1 duchy and 1 kingdom without that penalty IIRC. get rid of the 2nd duchy title and 2nd kingdom at least. don't remember if you're allowd to have a duchy and a kingdom, though.

to be honest, elective is a terrible law once your realm is more than a handful of easily controlled counts/dukes. switch out of it ASAP. as an emperor, even gavelkind would be better.

It was the easiest way to ensure that my desired heir WAS MY HEIR, and as I already said, it never created any problems when I was a kingdom.
But I will try to follow the first part of your comment, Thanks.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by michaelhefler1:

it never created any problems when I was a kingdom.

..because you weren't an emperor and as giving away kingdom titles as a king would make the receivers independent and not electors, thus no negative modifier back then.

[al_x_ator2411]

When giving away the titles try and give them to dynasty memebrs. The more dynasty members that hold elector titles the safer you'll be if the election doesn't go your way.

Also, if you hold all counties in your 2nd duchy it's totally safe to destroy it (some pissed off barons are no problem). But any more detroyed titles will help only for a while as the vassals will eventually recreate them and make electors of themselves.

[ZeratulR]

As an emperor with feudal elective you can have no more than 1 kingdom title without opinion penalty.

Originally posted by Azunai:

to be honest, elective is a terrible law once your realm is more than a handful of easily controlled counts/dukes. switch out of it ASAP. as an emperor, even gavelkind would be better.

https://i.imgur.com/YMC6hSf.gif Elective is by far the best succession law available to non-muslims.

[CidDaBird]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

When giving away the titles try and give them to dynasty memebrs. The more dynasty members that hold elector titles the safer you'll be if the election doesn't go your way.

Also, if you hold all counties in your 2nd duchy it's totally safe to destroy it (some pissed off barons are no problem). But any more detroyed titles will help only for a while as the vassals will eventually recreate them and make electors of themselves.

But then you have the problem cousins having kids with other cousins.