Can I still create Portugal?

[Digus]

tldr;
I started as Count of Coimbra and now I'm emperor of hispania, can I still create portugal?

I started the game as count of Coimbra at 936 with the objective of creating portugal. I tried to somehow become duke of portucale with no success.
So I managed to win a holy war and became Duke of Lisboa. At that point I was part of the kingdom of Leon.
After that I went to Algarve since it was small.
The king of Leon gave me the duchy of Seville but also managed to invade Beja and took that ducky for himself.
The kingdom was also at high authority so I could not press claims for Portucale or Beja, so I went for Badajoz.
With that I was as powerful as the king of Leon. He was fighting another war, so I pressed my claim to found the kingdom of Lusitania. With it also took Beja from Leon.
Now I was owning almost all counts of Portugal, but I still couldn't create it.
After that I managed to make my heir inherit the kingdom of Leon and after my death it unified Lusitania and Leon, which included the duchy of portucale, but also the kingdom of galicia.
Some more holy wars and I'm now the emperor of Hispania.
My capital is still Lisboa but never was there an option to create Portugal.
I'm still using gavelkind, so I can't destroy titles.

But what I want to know is:
 Is there still hope to create Portugal in my game? Even if it involves changing succession law, destroying titles, granting independences, or whatever?The year is about 1075
From what I read, the condition to create Portugal is not to be a king or emperor, own 2 duchies of the region and 50% of the counts.
So if I give that all to my heir and make him independent, will he create Portugal and then he can inherit it all back?

[Varainger]

Should.
He requires all of the duchy of Porto/Portucale and has to be independent, without war, adult, not incapable, 100 wealth and 1000 prestige. The two duchies are obligatory for forming kindoms.

Not sure if the Ai can actualy do it, as i'm not sure what the ai = no part implies.
if you are not playing for achievements nor ironman, then you can simply swap to him, via load or console command and create it yourself. I'd wait a bit more than a year after he fullfills the requiremnets,. The AI sometimes has long check times.
If nothing happens, just do it yourself. It's not cheating, just encouragement. ;)

create_portugal = {
		only_independent = yes
		is_high_prio = yes
		ai_check_interval = 60
		
		potential = {
			NOT = { 
				higher_tier_than = DUKE 
			}
			has_landed_title = d_porto
			k_portugal = {
				has_holder = no
			}
			k_portugal = {
				is_titular = yes
			}
			NOR = {
				has_alternate_start_setting = {
					setting = dejure
					value = random
				}
				has_alternate_start_setting = {
					setting = title_names
					value = random
				}
				has_alternate_start_setting = {
					setting = title_names
					value = random_including_duchies
				}
			}
		}
		allow = {
			is_adult = yes
			independent = yes
			war = no
			NOT = { trait = incapable }
			completely_controls = d_porto
			conditional_tooltip = {
				trigger = {
					ai = no
				}

				prestige = 1000
			}
			wealth = 100
		}

[Digus]

I'm playing ironman.
This:
has_landed_title = d_porto
Means the count of porto?
Because I don't personally control it, just the duchy of portucale.

Thanks for your detailed answer.

[Dao of Yakitori]

Originally posted by Digus:

I'm playing ironman.
This:
has_landed_title = d_porto
Means the count of porto?
Because I don't personally control it, just the duchy of portucale.

Thanks for your detailed answer.

I think that d_porto means duchy_portugal, but I could be wrong!

[dv]

"d_porto" ist the duchy.
"completely_controls" means you have to control every county in it.

[Digus]

Originally posted by ⚛ Marco Inaros ⚛:

I think that d_porto means duchy_portugal, but I could be wrong!

You are right according to the wiki:
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Duchies

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Digus:

I'm playing ironman.
This:
has_landed_title = d_porto
Means the count of porto?
Because I don't personally control it, just the duchy of portucale.

Thanks for your detailed answer.

As been said above, yes it's the duchy.

b_ = barony
c_=county
d_=duchy
k_=kingdoms
e_=empire

and have to own/control all of it, but it's fine if as vassals.
So you or the character in question does not necessarily have
to directly hold it as demesne.

Think the ai= no is only for the tooltip, so you can likely ignore that
and the son or whover will create it with fulfilled requirements.

[Digus]

Originally posted by Varainger:

As been said above, yes it's the duchy.

b_ = barony
c_=county
d_=duchy
k_=kingdoms
e_=empire

and have to own/control all of it, but it's fine if as vassals.
So you or the character in question does not necessarily have
to directly hold it as demesne.

Think the ai= no is only for the tooltip, so you can likely ignore that
and the son or whover will create it with fulfilled requirements.

Thanks for the explanation.
For the complete duchy, I imagine it needs all the de jure counts, right?
I can't just give another character the Duchy title and just the Porto count, I should also give Bragança, Guarda and Coimbra, even if just as vassals, right?

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Digus:

I can't just give another character the Duchy title and just the Porto count, I should also give Bragança, Guarda and Coimbra, even if just as vassals, right?

Handing out a duchy will automatically vassalise all dejure counts (if they are multiple county holders, then it depends on their capial), so you won't have to give these vasalls manualy nor can keep them, usually.

Again, the character intended to create the thing needs to control the whole duchy.

[Digus]

Originally posted by Varainger:

Handing out a duchy will automatically vassalise all dejure counts (if they are multiple county holders, then it depends on their capial), so you won't have to give these vasalls manualy nor can keep them, usually.

Again, the character intended to create the thing needs to control the whole duchy.

It's because I personaly own the Count of Coimbra, so Coimbra is not part of the de facto duchy, since it's owned by the Emperor.
So I guess if I give independence to the Duke of Portucale, he will leave the realm without Coimbra, and that won't let him create Portugal.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Digus:

It's because I personaly own the Count of Coimbra, so Coimbra is not part of the de facto duchy, since it's owned by the Emperor.
So I guess if I give independence to the Duke of Portucale, he will leave the realm without Coimbra, and that won't let him create Portugal.

Err....what' the problem ?
You are the emperor and can give him the county.

[dv]

One common problem with complete control of counties is that you require all counties and all baronies inside those counties to be part of your realm.

Originally posted by Digus:

I started as Count of Coimbra and now I'm emperor of hispania, can I still create portugal?

No you cannot. Emperor is higher than duke.

			NOT = { 
				higher_tier_than = DUKE 
			}

[Digus]

Originally posted by dv:

Originally posted by Digus:

I started as Count of Coimbra and now I'm emperor of hispania, can I still create portugal?

No you cannot. Emperor is higher than duke.

			NOT = { 
				higher_tier_than = DUKE 
			}

Yeah, I was talking about a way to give a AI character the requirements so he can create the kingdom for me, and I can reclamin it later.
But I'm still to find someone suitable on my game. 1000 prestige is a problem. And also the fact that Lisboa and Coimbra are my main Counts.

If the duke of Beja had 1000 prestige I could give him the duchy of portucale including Coimbra, make him independent. Maybe that is enough to form Portugal. It's 8 Counts of 12, 2 duchies and the whole portucale duchy.

[dv]

There is no way to guarantee that the AI will create a title, even if it can.

Originally posted by Digus:

If the duke of Beja had 1000 prestige I could give him the duchy of portucale including Coimbra, make him independent. Maybe that is enough to form Portugal. It's 8 Counts of 12, 2 duchies and the whole portucale duchy.

Maybe he will create Portugal. Maybe he aquires a 3rd duchy title and creates a custom kingdom instead.

I don't think the AI character in question requires two duchy titles. Portuscale will do. Make sure he controls all holdings inside the de jure duchy, not just the county titles.


One option is to grant the duchy and everything inside to a newborn. That character will hold the titles and gain prestige for a very long time. Gift artifacts that give prestige. Make him marry the child of an Emperor (i.e. one of your children) for additional prestige. Grant independence when he has sufficient prestige and is an adult.

[Digus]

Originally posted by dv:

I don't think the AI character in question requires two duchy titles. Portuscale will do. Make sure he controls all holdings inside the de jure duchy, not just the county titles.
One option is to grant the duchy and everything inside to a newborn. That character will hold the titles and gain prestige for a very long time. Gift artifacts that give prestige. Make him marry the child of an Emperor (i.e. one of your children) for additional prestige.

Varainger said 2 duchies are obrigatory to form a kingdom, unless that is only for the player.
All titles from Portugale are in the Empire, I can transfer all vassals, no problem with that.

I'm still planing on how to make someone suitable for this. My Emperor just died so the new emperor still has to consolidade the option of everyone before I can attempt this. All tha in the middle of revoking the duke of Castille for a fails prison attempt for trying to claim the kingdom of Leon