How does Ancestor Veneration work?

[The Anxious Barber]

So ive been picking av for my relgion to get eldership succession and Ive never had any one who has died before or after I used it get venerated. Is veneration an action you take, is it an event or does it just not work?

[gastfyr]

According to the wiki page https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Sainthood#Ancestor_Veneration (updated for patch 3.0), there are a few criteria a character must meet:
- Follow the reformed pagan religion
- Be an adult (more than 16 years old)
- Be dead, not having died in China or disappeared without a trace
- Have at least 1000 prestige

And also, the the religion must have a current religious head, since the religious head is the one who triggers the event at the time of death (and the event actually happens 3 days later).

Once all of those conditions have been met, then there is still only a 3% chance of a character actually being venerated! (Like sainthood, this is designed to be a rare and difficult thing.) The base chance can be increased by higher levels of prestige, up to 46.22% at 20000 prestige (which is still less than 50%!). Many other modifiers can apply as well, and the wiki has a list you may find helpful when considering a character you felt deserved veneration; it might help explain why they didn't, or it might just leave you angry that the odds were in their favour and they still didn't get it. Apparently a good number of things depend on the specific features you picked when reforming the religion. As a rather logical example, any Leadership Trait increases the chances of veneration in a Warlike religion but decreases them in a Peaceful one. And as a less obvious example, being Envious or Cruel decreases the chance in a Cosmopolitan religion and does not ever increase the chance.

And lastly, if the event does fire, it's better if you as the player are the religious head, since AI will only choose "yes" 50% of the time.

Maybe some others will be able to chime in with examples of characters who did manage to get venerated. I've never seen it in my own game yet, but I've also never actually met even the initial requirements

[The Anxious Barber]

Okay, thanks man, I'll try using some console commands to see if I can get it to trigger.

[Michael]

Originally posted by gastfyr:

According to the wiki page https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Sainthood#Ancestor_Veneration (updated for patch 3.0), there are a few criteria a character must meet:
- Follow the reformed pagan religion
- Be an adult (more than 16 years old)
- Be dead, not having died in China or disappeared without a trace
- Have at least 1000 prestige

And also, the the religion must have a current religious head, since the religious head is the one who triggers the event at the time of death (and the event actually happens 3 days later).

Once all of those conditions have been met, then there is still only a 3% chance of a character actually being venerated! (Like sainthood, this is designed to be a rare and difficult thing.) The base chance can be increased by higher levels of prestige, up to 46.22% at 20000 prestige (which is still less than 50%!). Many other modifiers can apply as well, and the wiki has a list you may find helpful when considering a character you felt deserved veneration; it might help explain why they didn't, or it might just leave you angry that the odds were in their favour and they still didn't get it. Apparently a good number of things depend on the specific features you picked when reforming the religion. As a rather logical example, any Leadership Trait increases the chances of veneration in a Warlike religion but decreases them in a Peaceful one. And as a less obvious example, being Envious or Cruel decreases the chance in a Cosmopolitan religion and does not ever increase the chance.

And lastly, if the event does fire, it's better if you as the player are the religious head, since AI will only choose "yes" 50% of the time.

Maybe some others will be able to chime in with examples of characters who did manage to get venerated. I've never seen it in my own game yet, but I've also never actually met even the initial requirements

I've seen ancestor veneration performed and performed it myself plenty of times. But if you are talking about getting your own character venerated you do not want to be holding the religious head title when you die, as the decision will be sent to the dead character and nothing will happen. This has been an issue since Holy Fury has released, and as far as I can tell it has not been addressed yet.

What you can do instead is give your heir a county or something and transfer the religious head title to them, then when you die you will receive the decision on whether or not to venerate your former self properly. Unfortunately this will mean you lose the ability to decide on other venerations while the title is out of your possession.

[CidDaBird]

Originally posted by Michael:

Originally posted by gastfyr:

According to the wiki page https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Sainthood#Ancestor_Veneration (updated for patch 3.0), there are a few criteria a character must meet:
- Follow the reformed pagan religion
- Be an adult (more than 16 years old)
- Be dead, not having died in China or disappeared without a trace
- Have at least 1000 prestige

And also, the the religion must have a current religious head, since the religious head is the one who triggers the event at the time of death (and the event actually happens 3 days later).

Once all of those conditions have been met, then there is still only a 3% chance of a character actually being venerated! (Like sainthood, this is designed to be a rare and difficult thing.) The base chance can be increased by higher levels of prestige, up to 46.22% at 20000 prestige (which is still less than 50%!). Many other modifiers can apply as well, and the wiki has a list you may find helpful when considering a character you felt deserved veneration; it might help explain why they didn't, or it might just leave you angry that the odds were in their favour and they still didn't get it. Apparently a good number of things depend on the specific features you picked when reforming the religion. As a rather logical example, any Leadership Trait increases the chances of veneration in a Warlike religion but decreases them in a Peaceful one. And as a less obvious example, being Envious or Cruel decreases the chance in a Cosmopolitan religion and does not ever increase the chance.

And lastly, if the event does fire, it's better if you as the player are the religious head, since AI will only choose "yes" 50% of the time.

Maybe some others will be able to chime in with examples of characters who did manage to get venerated. I've never seen it in my own game yet, but I've also never actually met even the initial requirements

I've seen ancestor veneration performed and performed it myself plenty of times. But if you are talking about getting your own character venerated you do not want to be holding the religious head title when you die, as the decision will be sent to the dead character and nothing will happen.

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