Did they remove the soft/hard code of Ironman mode interfering with achievements?

[FusionBunny]

No they did not, so I have no choice but to yearly remind Paradox that we do not require Ironman mode in order to "truly" earn the achievements, I don't understand why you can't just rewrite that part of the game code and have Ironman as an optional thing instead of mandatory.

I have waited years for this stupid thing to get fixed, and it will never get fixed either because you don't care or because fans think it's the only way to properly earn achieves.

Not really, just because somebody might cheat or hack it does not nessesarily make them a bad person, they just chose to do it their way, well my way would be legit but without IM mode in the way. To not have this option is my argument and remains as such.

[Sergent H]

I don't see your point.

Achievement are "achievement" to reward (in ck2) specific actions which can be quite tedious to obtain.

Not the ones like "marry someone" but some like "Restore the Roman empire full border" can be quite challenging.

Without Iron man you can litterally cheat mode all your way or reload your game so it would be an achievement anymore

I can't see how many hours you have in this game but for me; after a lot of hours; Ck2 is quite an easy game now and doing these achievement are a good way to entertain myself in sologame

[Baby Beluga]

It sounds like you want to use cheats in ironman and I have good news for you because it's easy to do

[FusionBunny]

No I don't want cheats, just wanted the option to actually obtain achieves without having to use IM mode in order to actually get them, but Paradox clearly did not want this as an option

[Sergent H]

If you don't want to cheat then why don't you play iron man?

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Sergent H:

Without Iron man you can litterally cheat mode all your way or reload your game so it would be an achievement anymore

So?
If someone else decides to cheat how does that impact you in any way? It doesn't.

If some people want to cheat achievements let them, it doesn't hurt anyone or diminish the achievement of people who did it legitimately. All the ironman requirement does is force people who want achievements legit to play a mode they might not enjoy (I enjoy being able to drop a save whenever and come back to it later to try something different without needing to start from scratch and I also enjoy mods, can't do either of those in ironman) and people who do want to cheat achievements can still cheat them regardless (I could use Steam Achievement Manager right now to unlock everything if I wanted, an ironman requirement won't stop that).

[Sergent H]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

If some people want to cheat achievements let them, it doesn't hurt anyone or diminish the achievement of people who did it legitimately.

Actually it does. How would you know if someone achieved it without cheating or not?

Achievement are like a reward in their mind; and you don't reward for nothing no?

[Kiethoo]

I play Ironman but I dont really care for the Achivements because I like to make my own custom dynesty. Though even so I earned achievements by just grabbing some random count and using the customizer dlc to change the name and shield,

That being said you can still cheat the system even with Ironman. I think you can do something called savescumming*. I think thats what the community calls it when you make copies of your Ironman Save before you make any event choices so that you always get what you want.

Although doing this can corrupt your game and saves, and it's kinda dumb.
If you really can't handle getting some adverse effects then honestly you shou;dnt being playing Ironman and you dont deserve the achievements !!!

If you haven't played a ruler with poor stats, a hairlip, who got his ass beat by BullSh** RNG in a war against the Karlings then you're missing a great experience of owning this game. Not to mention the satisfaction of then moving on to your next heir whos a genius with amazing stats who is a cruel sadist who enjoys mutilating the Karlings.

[DonJuanDoja]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Originally posted by Sergent H:

Without Iron man you can litterally cheat mode all your way or reload your game so it would be an achievement anymore

So?
If someone else decides to cheat how does that impact you in any way? It doesn't.

If some people want to cheat achievements let them, it doesn't hurt anyone or diminish the achievement of people who did it legitimately. All the ironman requirement does is force people who want achievements legit to play a mode they might not enjoy (I enjoy being able to drop a save whenever and come back to it later to try something different without needing to start from scratch and I also enjoy mods, can't do either of those in ironman) and people who do want to cheat achievements can still cheat them regardless (I could use Steam Achievement Manager right now to unlock everything if I wanted, an ironman requirement won't stop that).

Actually it does. It downgrades the value of the achievement.

If everyone knows they're hard to get then the feeling of achievement increases. Which is the only purpose of them anyways.

If they're easy to cheat well then they become incredibly devalued and no one cares anymore.

So thanks to Paradox for keeping them valuable.

The cool thing is they let you play how you want... you don't have to Ironman, you can use mods, but you can't get achievements.

I don't see why you'd want them unless you earn them the hard way... only thing I could come up with is someone who wants to 100% all your games... well you should of thought of that before buying this one lol.

[Azunai]

as far as i know, they have ironman as a prerequisite for achievments in all of their games, so i doubt they will remove that specifically for crusader kings 2.

i never really played ironman/hardcore modes in games before i started playing paradox games. i got used to playing those in ironman mode and i have to say that it actually adds more to the experience than i thought it would. i thought it would feel like a restriction, but it really *adds* to the experience.

let's be realistic - if you can savescum, you simply reload if you misjudged a situation and lose a war that may cost you half your empire. if you can't savescum, you have to find ways to deal with the issue, minimze the losses, try to fight them to a draw. or lose, rebuild and retake what is yours sometime later.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Sergent H:

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

If some people want to cheat achievements let them, it doesn't hurt anyone or diminish the achievement of people who did it legitimately.

Actually it does. How would you know if someone achieved it without cheating or not?

Achievement are like a reward in their mind; and you don't reward for nothing no?

Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:

The same argument really

The only reward for an achievement is the knowledge that you did it, if you cheated it all you get is a ticked off box.
It doesn't matter whether or not someone else achieved it legitimately or not because you've achieved it legitimately and it gives you the rewarding feeling of having completed it. Someone else doing it legit doesn't reward you, someone else cheating it doesn't cheat you of your reward since the act of legitimately gaining the achievement will still be just as difficult for you to achieve regardless of how others obtained it and you'll know how difficult it was because you'll have done it and can make that judgement yourself.

Again, I could use SAM to unlock every single achievement right now if I so wished and you wouldn't be affected in the slightest, you wouldn't even know.

You say it as if everyone were going to cheat for achievements if there wasn't an ironman requirement, but if you look at say Skyrim where there are literally a mod you can install[www.nexusmods.com] that unlock every achievement. But if you look at achievement completion percentages it's not any higher than most games. Removing the ironman requirement isn't suddenly going to cause everyone to be cheating achievements, you'll have a few who do (I'd bet there already are plenty who have using SAM or Cheat Engine) but it'd be a minority of people.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Azunai:

let's be realistic - if you can savescum, you simply reload if you misjudged a situation and lose a war that may cost you half your empire. if you can't savescum, you have to find ways to deal with the issue, minimze the losses, try to fight them to a draw. or lose, rebuild and retake what is yours sometime later.

Only people with no self control do that and then complain about how it ruins the experience.
People who have self control won't savescum if they find it ruins the experience for them, and for people who it doesn't ruin the experience for it doesn't matter because they're playing a (primarily) singleplayer game and they can play however is most fun for them.

[Sergent H]

You didn't expose any benefit for doing so

The "because i want it" isn't an argument and can be invalid by those who don't want

[FusionBunny]

From a personal perspective I almost see it as some kind of paywall barrier (which it's not) as your given zero choice of either earning them via X or earning them via Z and cannot pick an option as your stuck with it as the only option.

Did they do it this way because they wanted to avoid fans from save-scumming?

Does it devalue the game? No, we all know CK2 has plenty of content, DLC's and such, multiplayer and probably even mods and that's great, but ultimately it's about player choice and in this case that was removed. Why can't some of us (It's not just about me) just play it how we wanted, there won't be a riot of hackers eagerly waiting to dive in and tear the code apart :P

[goobacks]

I was going to respond to your post about why achievements should be hard to obtain, and why it would be more rewarding, and blah blah blah cheating blah blah blah, but I realized you probably heard every argument about it already so I won't repeat it again.

Instead, I'll just say, the devs ultimately decided that iron man mode is the 'intended way' to experience the game, and that is the only way to unlock achievements. You disagree, and that's okay.

My suggestion is to start an iron man game, and just save scum. Copy/paste the save files and back them up in a different folder. When you want to load a previous game, copy/paste your backup file to overwrite the actual save file.

My other suggestion though, is to play the game on iron man mode. Trust me, it makes the game super exciting and fun. And yes, I KNOW it can be really, really frustrating to play iron man. Sometimes, a bunch of unfair events just comes out of no where and you swear the game wants to screw you over on purpose. Literally everyone here would be pissed when their 25 year old genius ruler dies from the flu before producing an heir and the empire fragments. But stick to it, and you'll discover that achievements and the game in general becomes much more rewarding if you play iron man without save scumming.

[Swagmaster Love 🇪🇺]

Originally posted by FusionBunny:

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You want to cheat, so go ahead and cheat.

No need to cowardly rationalise it with words.