So the irony of Deus us Vult

[Saint_Laus_369]

I can say it here; I can not say it in CRK3? wtf I really hope the game is not a big disappointment.

[GoldenTalon]

Funny that - is it in or out of CK3?

[Saint_Laus_369]

Originally posted by GoldenTalon:

Funny that - is it in or out of CK3?

it is not in Ck3. They are adding ketchup to orders 1 and 2 but not 3.

[Skales]

The biggest irony is that Deus Vult was barely in CK2 to begin with. It was only added with Holy Fury. If it was quietly dropped in CK3 literally no one would notice.

[Saint_Laus_369]

Originally posted by Frollo did Notre Dame:

The biggest irony is that Deus Vult was barely in CK2 to begin with. It was only added with Holy Fury. If it was quietly dropped in CK3 literally no one would notice.

because moderators remove it if you post Deus Us Vult. lol

[Taiwan Number One]

I'm not sure if Paradox Interactive has said they're censoring Deus Vult in Crusader Kings 3, but I wouldn't be surprised as other companies having surrendered to the outrage mob. Giving in at all is pointless as it won't get the perpetually offended to back off and instead will encourage them like blood in the water lures sharks. Paradox accepting their demands is particularly bizarre as Crusader Kings is "problematic" at its core. All Paradox titles are when you think about it. Are the developers willing to purge all their franchises to appease a vocal minority?

[Skales]

Originally posted by The Be-Mulleted One:

I'm not sure if Paradox Interactive has said they're censoring Deus Vult in Crusader Kings 3, but I wouldn't be surprised as other companies having surrendered to the outrage mob. Giving in at all is pointless as it won't get the perpetually offended to back off and instead will encourage them like blood in the water lures sharks. Paradox accepting their demands is particularly bizarre as Crusader Kings is "problematic" at its core. All Paradox titles are when you think about it. Are the developers willing to purge all their franchises to appease a vocal minority?

I would not call 'not including Deus Vult in CK3' censorship. Considering it wasn't in CK1 and CK2 for the longest time. Instead I would argue that people who demand it to be added, despite, I repeat once again, it not being in previous games, are the outrage mobs who demand change.

On the other hand I understand the sentiment, the reasons given for not including it are ridiculous, and the recent sexuality dev diary makes me worried as well. But I would also argue that the reasons given for 'removing' (translation: not adding it) Deus Vult come from the mouth of a journalist with an agenda and not from Paradox themselves.

[SkiRich]

The game isnt even out, not even in beta.
Anyone posting Deus Vault is out of CK3 is posting speculation not fact.
Unless you have an official notice from Paradox saying they removed it, you cannot say one way or another.
As a matter of fact one of the paradox folks posted that the news has been misinterpreted and that is due to newsweek's article claiming the game is using alt right language in CK2. No surprise their, newsweek is part and parcel nothing more than an arm of leftist ideology using whats left of their petty bully pulpit to bully paradox.
Fact is paradox doesnt easily get bullied, and will let the game develop as they see's fit. I seriously doubt they will take any chance to piss off their fan base. Profits will speak louder than news rags not worth lining bird cages with.
I'm not going to post references here, no need, just go google it all and read it.
Give the matter a rest and dont perpetuate speculation. When the game is out we will know.
Give it a break till then.

[Saint_Laus_369]

Originally posted by SkiRich:

The game isnt even out, not even in beta.
Anyone posting Deus Vault is out of CK3 is posting speculation not fact.
Unless you have an official notice from Paradox saying they removed it, you cannot say one way or another.
As a matter of fact one of the paradox folks posted that the news has been misinterpreted and that is due to newsweek's article claiming the game is using alt right language in CK2. No surprise their, newsweek is part and parcel nothing more than an arm of leftist ideology using whats left of their petty bully pulpit to bully paradox.
Fact is paradox doesnt easily get bullied, and will let the game develop as they see's fit. I seriously doubt they will take any chance to piss off their fan base. Profits will speak louder than news rags not worth lining bird cages with.
I'm not going to post references here, no need, just go google it all and read it.
Give the matter a rest and dont perpetuate speculation. When the game is out we will know.
Give it a break till then.

try typing that in CK3 forums and then write here it is not speculation. It is fact and politics irl and greed. You want to sell Ck3 to other countries? Some countries don't like that word. Your game gets banned and no sales. So just remove it and add mods.

[Taiwan Number One]

@Frollo did Notre Dame

I'm going to respectfully disagree. If Dues Vult is absent from Crusader Kings 3 then it's clear self-censorship.

That Latin phrase has been in Crusader Kings 2 for some time(as well as the Europa Universalis series if I'm not mistaken) and has been something of a meme associated with Paradox. To my knowledge, they had zero issues with it prior to very recently. So, we know that the potential removal of the phrase isn't due to the developers not liking or approving of it.

The other reason(I know you didn't argue this, but I'm pointing it out in case someone else does) I have heard argued is that the phrase is historically inaccurate(It wasn't used during the Crusades or was only rarely uttered) and that's why PD is considering not including it in the next title. No offense to any who harbor this idea, but it is downright laughable. Aztec invasion? Black magic in the Satanist cults? Custom religions in an age of monotheistic faiths? Gender equality laws in a time where patriarchy was dominant and beyond questioning? Secret Buddhist societies in medieval England? Where was Paradox's zeal for historical accuracy when these were added to the game?

No offense intended, but I don't understand your argument about it not being censorship to remove(or leave out) Deus Vult from CK3 because it wasn't originally in CK2. Take the decision by itself, remove all context, and I could get the argument, but nothing exists alone in a void. Add in everything that's been going on, and it's clear censorship.

I agree that we shouldn't take everything some pot stirring journalist says too seriously. It's Paradox's responses to it that have me worried as they were quite vague. PDX is keeping their options open and that's concerning for obvious reasons.

[Saint_Laus_369]

Originally posted by The Be-Mulleted One:

@Frollo did Notre Dame

I'm going to respectfully disagree. If Dues Vult is absent from Crusader Kings 3 then it's clear self-censorship.

That Latin phrase has been in Crusader Kings 2 for some time(as well as the Europa Universalis series if I'm not mistaken) and has been something of a meme associated with Paradox. To my knowledge, they had zero issues with it prior to very recently. So, we know that the potential removal of the phrase isn't due to the developers not liking or approving of it.

The other reason(I know you didn't argue this, but I'm pointing it out in case someone else does) I have heard argued is that the phrase is historically inaccurate(It wasn't used during the Crusades or was only rarely uttered) and that's why PD is considering not including it in the next title. No offense to any who harbor this idea, but it is downright laughable. Aztec invasion? Black magic in the Satanist cults? Custom religions in an age of monotheistic faiths? Gender equality laws in a time where patriarchy was dominant and beyond questioning? Secret Buddhist societies in medieval England? Where was Paradox's zeal for historical accuracy when these were added to the game?

No offense intended, but I don't understand your argument about it not being censorship to remove(or leave out) Deus Vult from CK3 because it wasn't originally in CK2. Take the decision by itself, remove all context, and I could get the argument, but nothing exists alone in a void. Add in everything that's been going on, and it's clear censorship.

I agree that we shouldn't take everything some pot stirring journalist says too seriously. It's Paradox's responses to it that have me worried as they were quite vague. PDX is keeping their options open and that's concerning for obvious reasons.

I believe the Norte Dame was vandalized not by Frollo but by a muslim Smeagel.

[Langkard]

I am always amused by people outraged by outraged people, because the irony inevitably escapes them.

[Varainger]

Originally posted by Laus369:

I can say it here; I can not say it in CRK3? wtf I really hope the game is not a big disappointment.

You are SIX MONTHS late to the party....

what head dev said to the article the original claim was made in by a journalist :

Henrik Fåhraeus offered this comment: “I feel like this issue has been miscommunicated thus far. We have not specifically considered which terms are used in the game apart from making sense in the historical context. The team will decide how any text fits or does not fit into CK3 in a way that feels appropriate.”

source:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/10/19/crusader-kings-3-is-happening-heres-ten-things-we-know-so-far/

The journalist is a politicalcorrectness-idiot, but that's more or less irrelevant regarding Paradox itself.

[SkiRich]

Originally posted by Langkard:

I am always amused by people outraged by outraged people, because the irony inevitably escapes them.

Thats outrageous.

[Сааребас]

They have stated that they will not add it due to the fact that appearently some neo-nazi's used it as a meme, like the OK sign and milk (don't ask me).

It is not the fact that they remove it or not include it, it is the reason why.
The reason why is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, everyone knows it and that is why I am pro deus veult.

Now, there have indeed been some sounds that deus veult is not accurate and should actually be replaced by something else similar (I believeit is in vulgar-latin instead of latin).

Anyways, it is self censorship for the wrong reasons... (maybe with the right intention)

[Marv]

Ever seen Dragons Den? In the immortal words of Jenny: "Some game mechanics have fallen to liberal pressure groups and self-censorship, and for that reason - I'm out!".