My son isn't in my dynasty? Why is my son not in my bloodline and not a dynastic heir?

[~Sakaki-San~]

So this is what happened. I'm playing Scotland, and one of my snakey vassals decided to stage an uprising on my king (he was terrible, I don't blame them). They were successful, and they threw king in the dungeon, then the oubliette. Daughter was named heir as he had no sons yet, so she stages an uprising at the same time as the dumbass new king decided to try and invade England. He got killed, I was successful, but one of my dad's other daughters apparently took the throne so I had to kill her.

And this is where I am. I'm now Aileen, Queen of Scots who's married to some bloke from Brittany and I have two kids (a son and a daughter). But here's the thing. For some reason, none of my kids have the little blood-drop besides their potraits signifying that they're in my bloodline.

I don't want to throw away my hard won fight for my rightful throne, is this some bug?

PS. I tried reloading, and I'm on Ironman. I'll also add that Aileen was betrothed when there was still a king.

[Kapika96]

You need a matrilineal marriage for the kids to be of the mother's dynasty. If it's just a regular marriage (sounds like it is) then the kids are always of the father's dynasty.

So you need to kill both of your kids and your husband, get a new husband (making sure to tick the matrilineal marriage box) and have a new kid, otherwise it'll be game over, sorry.

[Azunai]

children from regular marriage get the dynasty of the father. when playing a female ruler, make sure you use a matrilinear marriage so the kids belong to the dynasty of the mother.

also, if you have a daughter as your oldest child, you should generally arrange a matrilinear marriage for her, just in case you die before you get a male heir.

[Azunai]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

You need a matrilineal marriage for the kids to be of the mother's dynasty. If it's just a regular marriage (sounds like it is) then the kids are always of the father's dynasty.

So you need to kill both of your kids and your husband, get a new husband (making sure to tick the matrilineal marriage box) and have a new kid, otherwise it'll be game over, sorry.

technically you don't *have* to murder the kids. you can also change succession law to seniority, so someone from your dynasty inherits (ie. not the non-dynastic kids of current ruler but some uncle or cousin or whatever from a side branch of the dynasty)

[~Sakaki-San~]

well damn. I guess that's fine, both my runts and my husband kind of suck because I wasn't expecting Aileen to be queen. Thanks for the help!

[CrUsHeR]

1) You can't murderplot against your own offspring

2) You most likely can't get a divorce as catholic, and murderplots may or may not work (the kids are there anyways and will inherit, as things stand)

3) You can probably use Tanistry as succession, which, same like Seniority, would allow any of your dynasty members to be elected for all held titles (instead of your non-dynastic heirs, which are game over)

4) You can also go for seduction focus and put some legitimized bastards into the game, which would be eliglible for elective gavelkind or tanistry (not regular gavelkind).

https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Seduction#For_women

5) Seduction would also greatly help with murder plots against the husband (or anyone else, like taking revenge on the traitors against your father)



Most important would be that your primary titles don't pass to the non-dynastic heirs, which may end in a game over later on when you get those remaining count titles revoked with no chance to fight back.

This is also why you should try to get a matrilinear marriage for any daughters high in the succession line ASAP, if your succession laws include females in any way. It is always possible that your sons die and yourself short after, that's how this game works.
Depending on exact circumstances, these daughters may also inherit strong claims which shouldn't pass out of the dynasty anyways.

[galadon3]

As a catholic (if you have sons of abraham) you can get rid of unwanted heirs by finding a reason to imprison them and then force them to take the vows (become a monk / nun).

Normal courtiers you can ask to do that without imprisoning but for the heir (and maybe for later kids, not 100% sure) it only works if they are in jail.

I had this imbecile firstborn once, managed to make him my rival and when he plotted my murder with his stellar ONE point intrigue I could throw him in prison and get him a new haircut and that very fashionable brown robe.

[CrUsHeR]

A yeah, forgot... Intrigue Focus and spying on people will almost always reveal arrest reasons. At the very least, slandering is very common.

It isn't a safe method though, because people in the oubliette may live on for 50 years, and then you inherit as a malnourished, paranoid, depressed, craven lunatic with an imaginary rat pet. Who still may be the non-dynastic heir.

[stars2heaven]

On the topic of murdering children:

Can you use the "private conversation" decision from the secluded groves upgrade to great works to murder them? Your character needs high enough intrigue but I've seen the option given many many times and never taken it. I don't know how it plays out or if it can be used on your children.

[dv]

Also on the topic of murdering children:

Can you arrest and execute them? Tyranny is preferable to game over.