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Skidee Mar 7, 2020 @ 5:04pm
Is cancer genetic?
I had like 3 siblings die from/have cancer. I don't know if it is a mechanic or a coincidence.
Originally posted by SkiRich:
I have read several times in various posts that no trait is genetic at all, meaning once in the dynasty it does stay.
However, the likelihood of traits can be passed on in the offspring, like strong or genius.
So I assume cancer can as well, with some obvious RNG roll and the trait would need to be visible in the traits bar at the time of birth.
That said, if your offspring are cancer free then the chance of getting cancer is also low but still RNG.
All this is a theory. Some stuff I read and put in practice, I had generations of cancer early on and then generations of cancer free kids afterwards. So RNG plays some factor here.

You can witness this effect with dwarfism. I tried breeding dwarfs for a while, and while the chance of having two dwarfs making a dwarf child is high, I did randomly get some kids without dwarfism, and then it all went away after a few generations.

It has been said in Dev diaries in CKIII that the traits system has been revised to now allow you to breed into your dynasty (and out I guess) desirable traits for long term dynastic inheritance.

To me that suggests the CKII system was as I described above, non intergenerational

Someone with more inner working knowledge may have better info than me though.
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SkiRich Mar 7, 2020 @ 5:19pm 
I have read several times in various posts that no trait is genetic at all, meaning once in the dynasty it does stay.
However, the likelihood of traits can be passed on in the offspring, like strong or genius.
So I assume cancer can as well, with some obvious RNG roll and the trait would need to be visible in the traits bar at the time of birth.
That said, if your offspring are cancer free then the chance of getting cancer is also low but still RNG.
All this is a theory. Some stuff I read and put in practice, I had generations of cancer early on and then generations of cancer free kids afterwards. So RNG plays some factor here.

You can witness this effect with dwarfism. I tried breeding dwarfs for a while, and while the chance of having two dwarfs making a dwarf child is high, I did randomly get some kids without dwarfism, and then it all went away after a few generations.

It has been said in Dev diaries in CKIII that the traits system has been revised to now allow you to breed into your dynasty (and out I guess) desirable traits for long term dynastic inheritance.

To me that suggests the CKII system was as I described above, non intergenerational

Someone with more inner working knowledge may have better info than me though.
Last edited by SkiRich; Mar 7, 2020 @ 5:26pm
Jukelo Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:01am 
Nope, cancer is a disease trait, not a genetic trait[ck2.paradoxwikis.com] (which can be passed on at birth).
Cardolam Mar 10, 2020 @ 12:48pm 
No, in the game, Cancer is not genetic. Avoid getting it like the plague!
SkyCam Mar 10, 2020 @ 3:46pm 
i mean the game is meant to be realistic as possible and irl every single living being has cancer but not everyone triggers it that would be what RNG would be for other traits or actions might pull RNG in or out of your favor but if ckII is realistic every character you birth will have cancer its just down to RNG to determine if the cancer is triggered

NOTE: cancer in ckII is stupid easy to recover from ive survived cancer 2 times on the same character who lived to be 78
MattyIce Mar 21, 2023 @ 5:28pm 
I have personally witnessed cancer being genetic in the game. My wife died of cancer. Her daughter died of cancer as well, so I did some family tree investigating. I found that it was very common in her family tree all the way to the beginning.

Findings:
- My daughter died of cancer. (She was my only kid with that wife.)
- My wife died of cancer.
- Wife’s Uncle died of cancer.
- Wife’s grandmother was the start of the family tree and died of cancer.

Other than my one kid with that wife no one in my tree has cancer.
Varainger Mar 21, 2023 @ 7:33pm 
Originally posted by MattyIce816:
I have personally witnessed.....

The second response already said it is not and linked the respective CK2Wiki page.
It's right.

Traits that have an inheritance chance have "inherit_chance =" mentioned in the trait file and cancer has not. Neither is cancer inheritable or more likley by event or character flag.
Last edited by Varainger; Mar 21, 2023 @ 7:44pm
Broccoli Mar 21, 2023 @ 10:43pm 
Start marrying outside the family for awhile.
M82 Mar 22, 2023 @ 3:03pm 
Basically some characters have low health stats and are more likely to get illnesses, and sometimes that illness can be cancer.
Seva Adom Mar 23, 2023 @ 3:22pm 
In the West, 1 in 2 people will develop cancer IRL, I suspect the game is actually light on realism. Of course in the M.E other disease was likely to kill before cancer took hold in sick people.

Near all elderly men will develop prostate cancer, the rate is 70% for 70 year olds and above 80 years old its approaching 95%.
Cardolam Mar 24, 2023 @ 5:55am 
In spite of being a dreadful disease, I think you are exagerating on the occurence of cancers. Moreso, it is confirmed that in our times cancer is much more prevalent than in the middle ages.

This being said, it is a pity Paradox is so afraid of increasing the chances to kill characters due to disease, among other factors.

Concerning the question in this thread, and unless Paradox has something hardcoded in de engine - something I don't believe - cancer is NOT genetic.
coboev Mar 27, 2023 @ 9:20am 
Counter cancer in your bloodline:
Marry strong and brawny,not weak and miserable(stress,possesed etc)
Become a member of the Kermit sociaty write magus opus on health,if want have 4 people inline become kermits and create 4x a healthboost
Hunt artefacts that give health bonus.
Get the Immortal blood in your line ;)
Be happy! well loved,lots piety and prestige if not dualling my overpowered people to death it often occurs my grandson inherits as my fountain of youth had me outlive my sons.
Kimlin Mar 27, 2023 @ 11:33pm 
Try WebMD
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