Multiple Empires

[ste]

Is there any benefit to owning multiple empires, like demesne increase or anything

[galadon3]

Just a bit more prestige every month and ofc holding 2 empire titles increases family prestige more then one, but some drawbacks:
- Every King in the secondary empire will have an opinion malus because he wants that empire title
- Kingddoms won't drift into your primary Empire and you get less levies out of areas that aren't in the same empire as your capital.

[EmotionallyBroken]

more prestiege

Greater entertainment value by increased plots to take imperial thrones and give titles away to others??????

[Mutagrawl]

Owning multiple can make your empire fracture if succession is gavelkind in one of them,
I typically just keep the one empire and let the rest dejure drift in to mine

[ste]

So not really a good idea all round then.

[dv]

An extra empire may make you the de jure liege of independent rulers. That allows de jure CB and diplomatic vasallization if they share your religion.

[sercera]

kind of adding on to this question since it's definitely related:

So if you already own all of the de jure land/titles in a (2nd or more) kingdom should you destroy that kingdom title until you're ready to create an empire that requires that king title?

For example, in the Iberian peninsula in the 942 start (I think? whatever the date is for the default start in the 900's) you start with both the Kingdom of Leon (primary) and Galicia and own all the de jure land for them ... Should you destroy one or the other of those King titles?

I know you get an opinion hit with all the vassals in the de jure land of that title you destroy ... just wondering if you can't create the Empire of ... Hispania(?) very quickly, (say, within 2 or 3 successions) then it will make it easier to control your vassals in your non-primary de jure land, right?
The opinion hit only lasts for the character (or for however many years) who destroyed it, right, not the successor?

[ste]

I would try to make the law so you inherit both kingdoms

[$tupify]

usually as long as you just stick to messing with your primary kingdom and dont touch the other one at all you are fine

making empires later on in game for dejure cb''s isnt a bad idea if your threat level is like 99% lol and then destroying said empire after taking over all of its dejure land

[Сааребас]

Or you could use gavelkind again and watch the world burn :D

[galadon3]

Originally posted by sercera:

kind of adding on to this question since it's definitely related:

So if you already own all of the de jure land/titles in a (2nd or more) kingdom should you destroy that kingdom title until you're ready to create an empire that requires that king title?

For example, in the Iberian peninsula in the 942 start (I think? whatever the date is for the default start in the 900's) you start with both the Kingdom of Leon (primary) and Galicia and own all the de jure land for them ... Should you destroy one or the other of those King titles?

I know you get an opinion hit with all the vassals in the de jure land of that title you destroy ... just wondering if you can't create the Empire of ... Hispania(?) very quickly, (say, within 2 or 3 successions) then it will make it easier to control your vassals in your non-primary de jure land, right?
The opinion hit only lasts for the character (or for however many years) who destroyed it, right, not the successor?

Depends a lot, basically you are right that the opinion-hit is temporary, the problem when you need more then 3 generations is that the duchies of that kingdom might dejure drift into your main kingdom then making it a really big kingdom.
Since you usually want to hold the kingdom-title where your demesne lies personally you can't give that to a vassal-king once you are emperor so you have to make do with dukes. So you might end up using up a lot of vassal-limit just for that super-kingdom.

[dv]

Originally posted by galadon3:

Since you usually want to hold the kingdom-title where your demesne lies personally you can't give that to a vassal-king once you are emperor so you have to make do with dukes. So you might end up using up a lot of vassal-limit just for that super-kingdom.

I normally make the duchies in my capital kingdom driftt into other kingdoms by granting the dukes viceroyalties. This reduces the number of dukes I have as direct vassals. Capital duchy and capitol kingdom become identical. I hold all counties in said duchy and destroy both duchy and kingdom titles. That allows me to hold titles elsewhere without opinion penalty for elector titles or too many duchies.

A variant is to grant kingdom and duchy without any of its de jure land (or vassals) for inheritance shenanigans, similar to titular titles.

[Malus]

Originally posted by galadon3:

- Kingddoms won't drift into your primary Empire and you get less levies out of areas that aren't in the same empire as your capital.

Only kingdoms which are dejure vassals of the secondary empire.

[Malus]

Some Empires provide special mechanics

Owning byzantine/Roman empire allows you to have imperial elective succession.

They also give access to special honorary titles and give born in the purple trait to children born to its holder. In nonelective successions children with this trait or despot honorary title are preferred (i think this doesn't work if its landless title)

Roman Empire gives Augustus trait.

Byzantine, Persian, holy Roman Empires have each their respective crowns you can wear if you hold the title.

Mongol empire gives honorary titles aswell that are otherwise gotten through either culture or government (not sure which)

With titles like ilkhanate, mongol empire and aztek empire, youre able to continue playing even if you loose all holdings.

You could also set eachs succession individualy

Factioneers like to split into different factions if you have something like reduce crown authority

[dv]

Originally posted by Christmas Potajto:

Owning byzantine/Roman empire allows you to have imperial elective succession.

You say that like it's a good thing. Getting out of imperial elective is hard to do. That's because few people want it.

[ste]

I only have the empire of francia, but I could make and have almost all the empires, would that be a good idea or a bad one. Ive considered it, but worried of the consequences