norse traits/bloodline

[SkyCam]

ok first i just want to say i never understood the fascination with playing as a viking i tried the looting thing before and seemed really stupid and pointless (note i wasnt even raiding just set troops to raid and went out no idea what i was actually doing) but then i saw a AI viking get a pretty cool bloodline so i tried it again (actually read the little red "not able to loot" ♥♥♥♥) and wow i understand now raiding is seriously fun

but ok back to why im making this thread
so when making my ruler i saw few new traits viking, ravenger, sea king, and pirate
i decided not to add them as i wanted to get them in game
i managed to get viking which then went to ravenger then to sea king
now how do i get the pirate trait

and also how do i get the bloodline
do i have to raid soo many cities
do i have to be a certain culture/religion/ethnicity

[SkyCam]

Note: im playing as a norse germanic (reformed) emperor of the (germanic head title idk how to spell it let alone pronounce it)

[Count Von Count]

1. Pirate is the non-Norse version of Viking. As such, you won’t get it.

To get the bloodline, I think you need the bloodline ambition, any more than that, I have no idea

[JD]

Originally posted by SkyCam:

how do i get the bloodline

You have to join the Warriors Lodge, reach the highest rank, start Legendary Gathering (through Decisions) and successfully complete the event chain it starts. Before this event starts get as many PCS as you can (go Berserk, take the Duelist trait, use artifacts) and be ready you can die there (I wouldn't recommend start LG if your PCS < 100).
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Warrior_Lodge_bloodlines

[g0r3yl0v3rz]

You can earn a bloodline by raiding, I think you have to loot at least 200 provinces.

You can earn a bloodline by succeeding at a great journey in the warrior lodge. As mentioned above, you CAN die during this. Ive completed it with PCS of about 70+. Not to say this will always work.

Of course, there is the ambition to forge a bloodline as well, multiple conditions can be met here.

[Carolingian Bitch]

You can earn the Sea King bloodline without doing a warrior lodge, simply siege ~200 holdings during raids and you can get it. The only thing that prevents getting the bloodline is if you have a pre-existing Norse bloodline (primarily Ragnarr)

[Brittanian]

I find it hard to get the sea king bloodline myself, as despite playing about 100 hours as viking I only got 2 kings to the 'sea king' level, and neither were presitigous enough to go for the bloodline. at that point they were in their 50's at least and had raided their entire lives (i usually take a holding in zeeland and england to just have some nice quick raid drop offs to speed this up)
Sometimes I won't even get 'viking' till pillaging many many holdings, even though you're meant to get it after the first few.
Try being emperor of scandanavia first, since you can net 20 plus prestige monthly pretty easy with them, and build an early (second ruler latest) royal palace which can help a lot too, plus its a big retinue boost combined with norse pagan bonus to retinue

[Сааребас]

Getting sea-king/sea-queen jeans you need to non stop raid.
It is very doable just takes some time.

I believe you can already give it to your heir if he/she is able to lead troops, might need to be landed but not sure.

[CrUsHeR]

TBH the bonus seems pretty weak:

- Organizing raids is faster and more fruitful
- +3 Personal Combat Skill

Instead of organizing raids, your Marshal should always "Train Troops" no matter what (IMHO).
The bonus events from the Viking traits are pretty good though.


Getting the Viking trait often procs right on the first siege, and the upgrades after 50 additional sieges each. Your ruler doesn't have to be present, but you need to fully sack the holding rather than just taking the unprotected loot.
The requirements for the bloodline would be a total of 200 holdings sacked.

Also keep in mind that having a forged bloodline on your current character will prevent you from forging any other. So if you already have for example the Conqueror bloodline (which is super easy in the 769 or 867 dates), you won't be able to forge this one with an heir.

And if you forge this bloodline now, your great great-great-great-grandson some centuries later still won't be able to create something actually useful like the Philosopher bloodline with the garrison roads.

[Malus]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Instead of organizing raids, your Marshal should always "Train Troops" no matter what (IMHO).
The bonus events from the Viking traits are pretty good though.

I think that the organize raid event troops can be kept permanently as long as they keep Raiding.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Christmas Potajto:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Instead of organizing raids, your Marshal should always "Train Troops" no matter what (IMHO).
The bonus events from the Viking traits are pretty good though.

I think that the organize raid event troops can be kept permanently as long as they keep Raiding.

They just aren't very desireable:

"Get event troops (Three stacks each 2.5% of realm levies, minimum of 100 and maximum of 3000), which must be used to raid within 5 months or else be disbanded, costing money. Must be at peace to trigger."

So these are 7.5% of all realm levies; however the vast majority of your levies are from your capital (if it has many empty holdings), with a decent marshal being able to add about 50-100% in size, AND replenishing them much faster.

Besides, your retinue will probably be as large as all your levies. For raiding you simply buy all of the light infantry for 25 prestige a pop, since sacking only requires a numeric advantage over the garrison (the more the better).

So simply having the retinue and regular levies going on raid tours seems a lot more useful. The bonus prestige isn't very useful either compared to the thousands you get from raiding continuously.

Lastly, if you go on very long raiding tours with a large fleet and thousands of levies, having some couple hundred raiders spawn at home is a total waste. I wouldn't send my fleet home just to pick them up within 5 months.

[Сааребас]

The way I do it is normally to find a decent marshal, set him to train commanders (and removing default commanders below 18 martial) or if possible invite one from the same culture and religion.

Now, before you start to raid you should build a foundation;
get tributaries <--> get land
Take the duchy which has the most empty holding slots (usualy a capital county/duchy)
hold as much land as possible build up all the forts to level 1.
Get retinues, start raiding non stop with reinforcable troops.
Profit.

[Malus]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Christmas Potajto:

They just aren't very desireable:

"Get event troops (Three stacks each 2.5% of realm levies, minimum of 100 and maximum of 3000), which must be used to raid within 5 months or else be disbanded, costing money. Must be at peace to trigger."

So these are 7.5% of all realm levies; however the vast majority of your levies are from your capital (if it has many empty holdings), with a decent marshal being able to add about 50-100% in size, AND replenishing them much faster.

Besides, your retinue will probably be as large as all your levies. For raiding you simply buy all of the light infantry for 25 prestige a pop, since sacking only requires a numeric advantage over the garrison (the more the better).

So simply having the retinue and regular levies going on raid tours seems a lot more useful. The bonus prestige isn't very useful either compared to the thousands you get from raiding continuously.

Lastly, if you go on very long raiding tours with a large fleet and thousands of levies, having some couple hundred raiders spawn at home is a total waste. I wouldn't send my fleet home just to pick them up within 5 months.

But the point is, you can stack them to "infinity" while levies have a max number.

[Brittanian]

Originally posted by Christmas Potajto:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

They just aren't very desireable:

"Get event troops (Three stacks each 2.5% of realm levies, minimum of 100 and maximum of 3000), which must be used to raid within 5 months or else be disbanded, costing money. Must be at peace to trigger."

So these are 7.5% of all realm levies; however the vast majority of your levies are from your capital (if it has many empty holdings), with a decent marshal being able to add about 50-100% in size, AND replenishing them much faster.

Besides, your retinue will probably be as large as all your levies. For raiding you simply buy all of the light infantry for 25 prestige a pop, since sacking only requires a numeric advantage over the garrison (the more the better).

So simply having the retinue and regular levies going on raid tours seems a lot more useful. The bonus prestige isn't very useful either compared to the thousands you get from raiding continuously.

Lastly, if you go on very long raiding tours with a large fleet and thousands of levies, having some couple hundred raiders spawn at home is a total waste. I wouldn't send my fleet home just to pick them up within 5 months.

But the point is, you can stack them to "infinity" while levies have a max number.

Downside being, if you ever stop raiding for a few months (maybe in war, or you got a truce with neighbours you were camp raiding) then they will run off with a lot of your money and prestige. Also, its continually diminutive returns, if i have 50 percent chance to recruit once per year, next i will only have 10 percent chance to recruit per year and so on even with 26 skill marshal ,whereas leaving on train commanders can net you some whopping beasts of characters to matrilinealy marry off your daughters to and make powerhouses of them with commander traits. I only ever set to raise raiders if i need a few hundred men in early game to raid a neighbour, and only to train troops about 3 months before a major war

[CrUsHeR]

train commanders can net you some whopping beasts of characters to matrilinealy marry off your daughters to and make powerhouses of them with commander traits

Attributes are not inheritable, these all come from education and events. The skills of the educator (and his educational trait) are the deciding factor.

Only thing you inherit are genetic traits, and possibly some hidden disposition for lunatic, drunkard etc.

[Brittanian]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

train commanders can net you some whopping beasts of characters to matrilinealy marry off your daughters to and make powerhouses of them with commander traits

Attributes are not inheritable, these all come from education and events. The skills of the educator (and his educational trait) are the deciding factor.

Only thing you inherit are genetic traits, and possibly some hidden disposition for lunatic, drunkard etc.

You can get genius, attractive etc from it as well, and by marrying them off and landing them you can then use those kids if you need, plus they have a great tutor parent which can give them the stats. plus im fairly sure there is a correlation, my beast commanders nearly always have kids with a base martial of 7 plus, same with my administrators
and i should have used comma above, the making powerhouses was regarding the commanders themselves being a powehouse in battle not that the kids would be the powerhouse