Byzantine empire turning hellencic

[Tulkus]

is that situation possible? I think it would be pretty cool to go down that route, you lose out on the hag and calling invasions plus the struggle with vassal but that would be rad

[al_x_ator2411]

What do you mean "calling invasions?" Pagans (Hellenic) have more invasions.

There are 2 ways to go Hellenic. Either a decision once you reform the Roman Empire or by scolarship focus and "delve into classics."
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Hellenic

[galadon3]

ofc, take the "delve into classics" decision

https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Decisions#Religious

take the "learn about gods" option and you become hellenic.

Its a good idea to do it when you already control all 5 holy places (the 5 counties are named in the decision, you need to control one of them for the decision), and have enough piety so that you can reform it directly because that allows you to ask vassals to convert to your religion.

[Tulkus]

is it also possible to start from sparta or athens?

[galadon3]

Well Sparta doesn't really exist anymore in medieval times, it lost most of its importance when alexander the great conquered greece and later when it became a roman province, in the end sparta was plundered several times around the 6th century and destroyed.

But Athens is a byzantine county so yea you can start as count or strategos of athens in most starts.

Ofc turning hellenic as a vassal of the byzantine emperor is pretty likely to get you into game over, since the orthodox byzantine emperor is not really likely to tolerate a pagan vassal forever.

[Kısır]

yes its possible but too hard ı did but Byzantine succsession law is very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ı become emperor when ı die religion had end empire title is gone

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Dovahkiin:

yes its possible but too hard ı did but Byzantine succsession law is very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ı become emperor when ı die religion had end empire title is gone

The trick is to do it when you have all 5 religious sites, then reform hellenism into an organized religion and bribe ppl to get their opinion high enough so they convert when you ask them. Make the most powerfull vassals hellenic and make sure that the commanders and the marshall who elect the emperor are hellenic.

If you just become hellenic and don't make sure that the voters aren't turned hellenic too ofc they wont elect your heir.

[synek.peta]

I turned hellenic through "delve into classics" with my empress when I had 3 HS. I conquered Rome using pagan conquest, but then I died and snce my heir was Iconoclast again, the empire turned back to Iconoclast. I plan to restore the Roman empire and have it hellenic. To hell with Christianity and other monotheisms :-)

[Ouroboros]

It's possible through taking delve into classics. If you reform the Roman Empire, you also get the decision to either keep Christianity or revert to Hellenism, and you can reform it right off the bat there IIRC. Your vassals also all get asked to convert (Roman Empire scenario).

The Byzantine succession law and the nonsensical inability to change it (seriously Paradox? I can have a reformed African pagan kingdom in London with four sister-wives, but changing the Byzantine succession law is too much) could cause issues though, if the electors don't convert. I personally just got the Imperial Elective Away mod to hit that one on the head.

[Solitus]

There is also one count in the 769 start whose county is still Hellenic. Can play as him and eat the byzantines from the inside.

Is very difficult to survive though. I got lucky, the emperor tried to start some ♥♥♥♥ with me but there was a massive faction and they all became my allies, making the war an even 50/50 in terms of troops. Definitely winnable.

Spent the rest of that game as the openly hellenic kingdom of Greece; but then the game version changed and I had to abandon that save file in order to get those sweet wonders I wanted so badly.

[Malus]

Originally posted by Le Troisième Empire Français:

The Byzantine succession law and the nonsensical inability to change it (seriously Paradox? I can have a reformed African pagan kingdom in London with four sister-wives, but changing the Byzantine succession law is too much) could cause issues though, if the electors don't convert. I personally just got the Imperial Elective Away mod to hit that one on the head.

It can be gotten rid of if you destroy and recreate the title.

Maybe your liege asking you to adopt gavelkind would work aswell.

There also used to be a method where if you ask pope for coronation or lifting excommunication or something like that, he could ask you to adopt gavelkind. But i think this method was removed.

Also i am not sure on thos one, but someobe sponsoring mass conversion in your realm coukd also ask for you to adopt different succession law.

[Electronic_Bunny]

Originally posted by Christmas Potajto:

Originally posted by Le Troisième Empire Français:

Also i am not sure on thos one, but someobe sponsoring mass conversion in your realm coukd also ask for you to adopt different succession law.

It does in fact. I am unsure if this extends into certain conditions like restrictions written in for Byz emperors, but normally a few events into a mass conversion you will get the option to revert into gavelkind (at least from elective gavelkind).