Converting Catholics to Pagan

[spamfilter32]

If I do a start as as a Pagan Chief of a county in, say, Irland does my Godi have any chance of converting the county's religion to Pagan? Especially early before the religion can reform? Not to mention that fact that starting very far away from any holy sites means pretty much relying on the AI to reform the faith.

Has any one attemtped somethig like this? Where converting to Catholic is not part of the core stratagy.

[Leonidas]

Unreformed pagans lose in religious conversion conests. That's how the game is designed. Reform your religion, raise your moral authority, and then you can convert the Catholics.

[Zsrai]

Yeah, you technically can... but it's very unlikely. Like low single digits percentage per year at best. Even then, if you manage to convert them to your unreformed Pagan religion they may just reconvert to Catholicism anyways.

[that guy]

In my current game as Ireland, I've been pillaging and burning everything to the ground like a nomad. Just like with nomads, once there are no holdings then the province will take on the culture and religion of the owner. However, tribal rulers cannot pillage tribes so in order to pillage and destroy absolutely all the holdings is complicated.

1. Be at least a king.
   
2. Own a castle.
   
3. Own a tribal holding containing a stone hillfort.
   
4. Create a feudal duke using the castle from step 2.
   
5. Give the tribal holding from 3 to someone with the same culture & religion as the duke from 4.
   
6. Give all other tribal counties to the chief from 5.
   
7. Transfer vassalage of chief from step 5 to duke from step 4.
   
8. Wait for the chief to convert to feudal.
   
9. Give your new feudal count a duchy title so he becomes your direct vassal.
   
10. Kill your new duke before he passes out any titles so you inherit everything.

Obviously step 10 is time sensitive and it's quite difficult to do. As a Catholic, I just needed to make sure that he was excommunicated before I handed him anything so I would be able to imprison and execute him anytime I want.

As a pagan, I suppose the best thing to do would be to have a murder attempt already in progress before doing step 5. Otherwise, make sure that you're a devil worshipper and the courtier is either a known murderer or you've taken the intrigue focus and already made up a reason to arrest him via spying.

Note that if you do not care about tyranny then it's much easier.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that you cannot pillage a holding if it's the last holding in the province. So what I usually do is make sure that at least one of the holdings has at least 3 buildings. Since each round of pillaging only destroys 2 buildings, I can start pillaging from that holding. After the first round of pillaging, the holding is still there and the next round of pillaging will automatically happen in 6 months. So since the holding is still there at the moment, I am free to pillage the other holdings in the province and destroy them.

[spamfilter32]

Originally posted by that guy:

1. Be at least a king.
   
2. Own a castle.
   
3. Own a tribal holding containing a stone hillfort.
   
4. Create a feudal duke using the castle from step 2.
   
5. Give the tribal holding from 3 to someone with the same culture & religion as the duke from 4.
   
6. Give all other tribal counties to the chief from 5.
   
7. Transfer vassalage of chief from step 5 to duke from step 4.
   
8. Wait for the chief to convert to feudal.
   
9. Give your new feudal count a duchy title so he becomes your direct vassal.
   
10. Kill your new duke before he passes out any titles so you inherit everything.

Obviously step 10 is time sensitive and it's quite difficult to do.

That doesn't sound like something that is reasonable to do when starting out as a count of a single county that would already be culturally Irish and religiously Catholic.

As a side, yet related, note, If my Faith member of my council is not of my faith and I send him out to do a conversion in one of my counties will he convert people to his religion, or to mine? Same with Steward and settling tribe?

Does any one have any experience with reformed pagan religion doing a religious conversion of Catholics? Is that still obscenely nearly impossiblyt hard?

[kazaddum]

Originally posted by spamfilter32:

Originally posted by that guy:

1. Be at least a king.
   
2. Own a castle.
   
3. Own a tribal holding containing a stone hillfort.
   
4. Create a feudal duke using the castle from step 2.
   
5. Give the tribal holding from 3 to someone with the same culture & religion as the duke from 4.
   
6. Give all other tribal counties to the chief from 5.
   
7. Transfer vassalage of chief from step 5 to duke from step 4.
   
8. Wait for the chief to convert to feudal.
   
9. Give your new feudal count a duchy title so he becomes your direct vassal.
   
10. Kill your new duke before he passes out any titles so you inherit everything.

Obviously step 10 is time sensitive and it's quite difficult to do.

That doesn't sound like something that is reasonable to do when starting out as a count of a single county that would already be culturally Irish and religiously Catholic.

As a side, yet related, note, If my Faith member of my council is not of my faith and I send him out to do a conversion in one of my counties will he convert people to his religion, or to mine? Same with Steward and settling tribe?

Does any one have any experience with reformed pagan religion doing a religious conversion of Catholics? Is that still obscenely nearly impossiblyt hard?

Reformed pagans convert catholics just fine.

[gregoryk64]

Originally posted by spamfilter32:

Does any one have any experience with reformed pagan religion doing a religious conversion of Catholics? Is that still obscenely nearly impossiblyt hard?

Once a pagan religion is reformed the conversion rate is pretty much the same as for any other religion. Although, from my experience with my last reformed Slavic game I found that counties convert more quickly when I grant it to a vassal than if it is part of my demesne, even if I have a really good court chaplain.

[Cultist]

You can convert different unorganized pagan religions easily enough, but not reformed or the major religions.

[Xander Tyrann]

Originally posted by gregoryk64:

Originally posted by spamfilter32:

Does any one have any experience with reformed pagan religion doing a religious conversion of Catholics? Is that still obscenely nearly impossiblyt hard?

Once a pagan religion is reformed the conversion rate is pretty much the same as for any other religion. Although, from my experience with my last reformed Slavic game I found that counties convert more quickly when I grant it to a vassal than if it is part of my demesne, even if I have a really good court chaplain.

Every vassal will have his own chaplin So if you're an emperor and there's a single province to convert you can have your Chaplin alongside the king' s, duke's and count's Chaplin converting the province which obviously is faster than just your one.

On topic, I think it was like 1.7% chance per year for unconverted pagan on a province of Irland when I was trying it. It did actually trigger after a few years too! Got lucky.

Reformed it's super easy.

[that guy]

Originally posted by spamfilter32:

As a side, yet related, note, If my Faith member of my council is not of my faith and I send him out to do a conversion in one of my counties will he convert people to his religion, or to mine? Same with Steward and settling tribe?

Conversion would be to the liege's (aka you) faith and culture. Do note that religious conversion is easier if your court chaplain is the same culture and religion group as the current province culture/religion.

[kazaddum]

Originally posted by that guy:

Conversion would be to the liege's (aka you) faith and culture.

Depends on who's chaplain is sucessfull. If It's the lieges one its the liege religion, otherwise the vassals. That's why you see christian spots in pagan lands later on, its christian vassals converting their lands.