Norman culture.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

When does this change happen? Norse to Norman. I've looked it up it it should happen in ANY french, Frankish, Breton or Occitan province after a mean time of 600 months. That's a mean time of 50 years. Meaning after 100 years I should have had a 90% chance by now. It's been 200 years. No change in any county ruled by a Norse lord in those areas.

Now my characters has only ever held the rank of count. Even though we're the most powerful count in the entire kingdom and as of right now I'm more powerful than my liege the duke of Normandy. Haven't managed to get the ducal title. The duke of Normandy has almost always held a second ducal title and at one point held 3. But finally for once the duke lived longer than the age of 30 and had more than a single child (they pretty much never had a daughter either) so finally I'm in a position where I can actually take the ducal title. But yes. Never been a duke (except once through marriage to a duchess of a different ducal title). And never been independent. My rank and the fact I haven't been completely independent is the only 2 things I can think of as to why I haven't changed. I have a dynasty member who was made the duke of Toulouse. The king granted my youngest son that title once. But he's still alive at the age of 75 now so it hasn't been long enough for him to change I don't think. At least it's still within reasonable bounds.


But yeah. Is there anything special I gotta do to become Norman?

[that guy]

What's the game year?

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by that guy:

What's the game year?

962.

Started as Norse culture in France in the 769 start.

[Langkard]

The 50 year MTTH begins at 950. So it can happen anytime from 950 to 1000, averaging around 975.

[Miku]

I think your problem is that those provinces are Frankish, not French (there's no French culture in 769), while the event only fires in Breton, French, and Occitan provinces.

Now, counterintuitively, French culture is called "frankish" in game files, while ingame Frankish is "old_frankish" (kinda like Anglo-Saxon = saxon and ingame Saxon = old_saxon).

You'll have to look at Aquitaine, Burgundy, Brittany, or Cornwall (provided they still have their starting cultures), or any province in de jure France which became French in the meanwhile.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Miku:

I think your problem is that those provinces are Frankish, not French (there's no French culture in 769), while the event only fires in Breton, French, and Occitan provinces.

Now, counterintuitively, French culture is called "frankish" in game files, while ingame Frankish is "old_frankish" (kinda like Anglo-Saxon = saxon and ingame Saxon = old_saxon).

You'll have to look at Aquitaine, Burgundy, Brittany, or Cornwall (provided they still have their starting cultures),or any province in de jure France which became French in the meanwhile.

The provinces are both Frankish and French. They were turning french while Norse lords were in control as well.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Langkard:

The 50 year MTTH begins at 950. So it can happen anytime from 950 to 1000, averaging around 975.

You sure it's 950?

[Langkard]

^ This too. You need to own a Breton, Occitan or French culture province as part of your personal demesne. It also wont' happen if the top liege (either you or your overlord, if you have one) has an empire title or two or kingdom titles.

[Langkard]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

Originally posted by Langkard:

The 50 year MTTH begins at 950. So it can happen anytime from 950 to 1000, averaging around 975.

You sure it's 950?

Yep.

https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Culture#Culture_flipping

[that guy]

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

I've looked it up it it should happen in ANY french, Frankish, Breton or Occitan province after a mean time of 600 months.

I just checked the wiki and the game files. It requires French, Breton, or Occitan province culture. Frankish does not work. IIRC Normandy starts out as Frankish in 769.

EDIT: Wow I'm slow. But it doesn't have to do with the year 950. Provinces can flip to Norman any time before 1150.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Langkard:

^ This too. You need to own a Breton, Occitan or French culture province as part of your personal demesne. It also wont' happen if the top liege (either you or your overlord, if you have one) has an empire title or two or kingdom titles.

Well they're no empire and only have a single kingdom title. Though at this stage the Kingdom I'm part of is certainly large enough. They just don't have enough de jure territory in any other kingdom.

I'm also not in their de jure territory either. It's the Kingdom of Austrasia I'm part of. So once I become duke I should actually be able to push for independence. I got enough friends who could join a faction and the king right now is young with a real bad reputation.

[Langkard]

I also messed up the math above. Mean-time-to-happen is 50 years from 950, so it could happen at any time from 950 to 1050 with the average being 1000. You can get lucky and have it fire earlier or unlucky and not until 1050, but it will happen by 1050.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by that guy:

Originally posted by =(e)= Lemonater47:

I've looked it up it it should happen in ANY french, Frankish, Breton or Occitan province after a mean time of 600 months.

I just checked the wiki and the game files. It requires French, Breton, or Occitan province culture. Frankish does not work. IIRC Normandy starts out as Frankish in 769.

EDIT: Wow I'm slow.

Right. My capital is still Frankish. But every other county in my demense is French. I could move the capital. But the research I'd lose. Temporarily worth it I would say. Though it should probably flip french on its own pretty soon. Every other province did under Norse control.

[Langkard]

I don't think you need to move your capital as long as you directly own a French province.

[=(e)= Lemonater47]

Originally posted by Langkard:

I also messed up the math above. Mean-time-to-happen is 50 years from 950, so it could happen at any time from 950 to 1050 with the average being 1000. You can get lucky and have it fire earlier or unlucky and not until 1050, but it will happen by 1050.

I see. I simply didn't link that wiki bullet point to the way Norman culture worked. I just thought it was for cultures such as Danish and Swedish.

[that guy]

Do you have the Old Gods DLC? The relevant event is TOG.2003 for culture flipping to Norman.