how to clean border gore?

[Jet]

My vassals have warred against each other for centuries. I now have a lot of land that is disgusting. the duke of mercia holds the tribe of belgorod right across from the byzantines for example. IS there any way to take this without opinion maluses/war everyone?

[OldMemes.biz]

Revocation and Retraction. Fabricate claims so that Revocations only piss off the holder instead of ALL vassals, however that takes time and coin. If you can put up with the malus hits, don't waste time fabricating.

And remember; a LOT of malus is better than a LITTLE malus. The more vassals who rebel and get put down and revoked, the more you can put in place who LIKE YOU. Also, you get positive rep for squashing "major revolts."

[al_x_ator2411]

There are plots that you can use against vassals who own non de jure land.

[Jiks]

Also, why make the effort when someone else will do it for you? Encourage plots amongst your vassals that result in land ending up under their de jure liege, i.e. when they are fabricating claims against each other.

However, the easiest solution is to change map mode *hides*

[OldMemes.biz]

I prefer to be more direct...

[Jet]

i just gained 100 provinces because i participated in the crusade for greece god help my sanity

[OldMemes.biz]

Originally posted by Jet:

i just gained 100 provinces because i participated in the crusade for greece god help my sanity

Though it may suck, I suggest going through each holding 1 by 1 and selecting your own vassals, rather than the "help me" decision.

[Jet]

Originally posted by MS-DOS 6.22:

Originally posted by Jet:

i just gained 100 provinces because i participated in the crusade for greece god help my sanity

Though it may suck, I suggest going through each holding 1 by 1 and selecting your own vassals, rather than the "help me" decision.

problem is i was already 10 vassals over the limit before i won the crusade. Should I just make a ton of duchies and give them all to my vassal pope?

[Azunai]

not sure if there are special rules for the pope, but i think there is a game rule that you can't give more than 1 duchy to a temple vassal.

i'd probably just pause, create vassals for each of the castles, cities and temples and then use the character finder to find new nobles for the new land. filter for "my culture", "my religion", "no dynasty" to get a list of lowborn courtiers. i prefer lowborns with no family as the new title holders. if you use people who are already nobles, it always (sooner or later) results in ugly border gore when a decendant of the baron/count of [somewhere] inherits titles in [somewhere 3000 km away from their home]. then hand out each of the counties to a lowborn (who becomes a new noble of a new dynasty) and make one of the counts of each duchy the new duke.

by picking lowborns, you at least delay the bordergore by a few generations until matrilineal marriages and ambitious characters with forged claims mess things up.

if you have way more land than vassal slots, you may also have to consolidate vassal duchies into vassal kingdoms.

[Meewec]

there's the super drastic method that takes a lot of time but nobody should hate you at the end of it.

imprison everyone(literally everyone including unlanded courtiers), revoke all titles, kill everyone, invite new people in to give the titles to. since nobody was around for the great murder they'll all think you're amazing for giving them land

[El lobo]

Originally posted by Meewec:

there's the super drastic method that takes a lot of time but nobody should hate you at the end of it.

imprison everyone(literally everyone including unlanded courtiers), revoke all titles, kill everyone, invite new people in to give the titles to. since nobody was around for the great murder they'll all think you're amazing for giving them land

that doesnt work so well when you are a massive empire

[Fellow]

Excommunicate + imprison seeign as how u got the pope under your control. Works like a charm.

[OldMemes.biz]

Originally posted by El lobo:

Originally posted by Meewec:

there's the super drastic method that takes a lot of time but nobody should hate you at the end of it.

imprison everyone(literally everyone including unlanded courtiers), revoke all titles, kill everyone, invite new people in to give the titles to. since nobody was around for the great murder they'll all think you're amazing for giving them land

that doesnt work so well when you are a massive empire

Especially if a good deal of your landed vassals decide to rebel rather than accept imprisonement.