Confusion on Prince-Bishoprics

[wells1002]

Noob player, I had the following scenario in my game:

Started as a Count controlling a single county. The only place that was practical to exand into at the start was a county controlled by a prince-bishop. I fabricated a claim and captured the county, usurping the prince-bishop. So now I'm a Count controlling two counties, but with the new county being a prince-bishopric I have a wrong-goverment penalty. I read that if I took a baron vassal and gave him the title to the county it would change the county from being a bishopric. Of course, I forgot the rule about persons of the same rank cant be my vassal, made the baron a count and basically gave away the county. What options would I have had, if any, to stop getting the wrong government penalty?

[Kaz Dragon]

If you can't give it away to a vassal, one option is to build a barony in the same location and promote the new barony to the region capital.

[Unpringaosingracia]

The key is that the church was the capital of the county, and you did not press a claim on the correspondig castle at the same time. To get rid of the penalty while remaining in control of the county, your options were:

1) Become duke and grant the county to another prince-bishop

2) Acquire the castle and make it the county capital

2.1) Revoke the title, beware of tyranny

2.2) Kill the baron and his heirs until the title reverts to you. Remember that for vassals with no heirs, the liege may inherit the title.

Unless you have a claim on the castle and revocation law, you will not be able to get the castle immediatly without penalties, so take your time and don´t get obssessed with the penalty.
There might be different workarounds, but those are the ones that came to my mind.

[Wafl]

Since you don't seem to have any count level vassals, the tyranny from revoking a single barony is easily manageable. Owning another castle is worth a lot more than having happy vassals in most cases where you're under your demesne limit.

[al_x_ator2411]

Originally posted by Luftwafl:

Since you don't seem to have any count level vassals,

A count can't have count vassals.

[wells1002]

This is good stuff, thanks all for your replies, I have a much better understanding now. Looks like my best option would have been to revoke the baron title. I suppose I shouldn't be playing ironman when I'm unfamiliar with so many details, then I could have backed up a minute and fixed my mistake. Live and learn.

[pplr1]

Ironman is still a good way to play even if you don't have a past save because of it.

I would say look for a way to become a duke.

[al_x_ator2411]

Ironman is very unforgiving when you still don't know what you're doing. Imagine how you would feel if you gave the new county away while still a count.

Now about the barony:

If he has a small family (press his dynasty crest and see how many people are alive) try killing them all untill you inherit.

Otherwise just directly revoke like everyone said. If you decide on that path make sure you park your army on that province before the revocation. That way if he rebels he won't manage to raise his own troops.

A 3rd option is waiting until he plots something so you have a reason to atempt arrest (do the same trick with the army before pressing the arrest button). But barons plotting is a little rare better try the first 2 options.

[wells1002]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

Ironman is very unforgiving when you still don't know what you're doing. Imagine how you would feel if you gave the new county away while still a count.

I don't need to use my imagination. As I said in my OP, that's exactly what I did!

[RJJameson]

Just so you know, if you Ctrl-Alt-Del out of the game to task manager and kill the game, you can restore from your last autosave, even on ironman...

;)

[Meewec]

Originally posted by al_x_ator2411:

Otherwise just directly revoke like everyone said. If you decide on that path make sure you park your army on that province before the revocation. That way if he rebels he won't manage to raise his own troops.

honestly, letting the troops raise would likely be better. he won't have many and you'll get warscore plus the seige will be easier