How do i break up the hre?

[Nour_BLACKBIRD]

Its been 300 years since the HRE had been formed and not once had i seen anyone take independence from it, so how can an outside force break it up?

[salatrin]

If your a king level or lower, you can always swear fealty to the HRE emperer, start an independence faction, and by use of your spymaster, or favors, get as many of their vassals as you can to join that faction and then go to war for independence taking all the others that join out of the HRE with you.

Another option, if you have Jade Dragon and in dip range of China, is to save up 5k grace, ask China for an invasion of the HRE and if they win, it will destroy all king or higher level titles held by the emperor, making all his direct vassals become independent.

[Xander]

Starting an independence faction and succeeding would cripple the HRE but it will still exist, of u want to destroy the hre take the title make a new empire title and destroy hre

[Nour_BLACKBIRD]

problem is i am of a different religion playing under another emperor and trying to conquer lands the HRE owns so i cant just swear fealty

[Toxic Toast]

Hard to do, sometimes it will break up (very rare), I have seen the mongols come in twice in my play-throughs and take it down, and when it (the mongol empire) fell all the emperor titles disapeared with it (don't know why, also earlier versions of the game). Most of the time it either doesn't fall apart or (uncommon) its power is curtailed somewhat when/ if the Italian territories split from it.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Nour_BLACKBIRD:

problem is i am of a different religion playing under another emperor and trying to conquer lands the HRE owns so i cant just swear fealty

Best bet there is to wait for a weak emperor and strike when he is busy with a lot of revolts and or external wars. Its no guarantee he might not concentrate on you, but its a good chance, then quickly seize all the lands you want to get from him and peace out before he has dealt with his other problems.

[DonJuanDoja]

Originally posted by galadon3:

Originally posted by Nour_BLACKBIRD:

problem is i am of a different religion playing under another emperor and trying to conquer lands the HRE owns so i cant just swear fealty

Best bet there is to wait for a weak emperor and strike when he is busy with a lot of revolts and or external wars. Its no guarantee he might not concentrate on you, but its a good chance, then quickly seize all the lands you want to get from him and peace out before he has dealt with his other problems.

Basically this... waiting for a massive revolt that cuts their armies in half and has them busy fighting themselves and/or others.

You can use Spymaster to sow dissent in their lands... no idea how effective it is, but I always use it when waiting for revolts in another empire, seems to help, idk.

Then use the best CB you can on them, hopefully a Great Holy War if that's possible, as that can have others join and attack them as well and you get a whole Kingdom. Careful though with holy wars they could siege the lands you want and your vassals or allies will get it. Still better than HRE having it but you get what I mean.

Just make sure you declare war well before the war is over, don't do it if it's like 99% won already, it could end and re-unite and leave you in a bad spot. Check the war score and get an idea of both sides of the revolt, you may want to attack the actual revolt instead. Or Both!

[Nour_BLACKBIRD]

Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:

Originally posted by galadon3:

Best bet there is to wait for a weak emperor and strike when he is busy with a lot of revolts and or external wars. Its no guarantee he might not concentrate on you, but its a good chance, then quickly seize all the lands you want to get from him and peace out before he has dealt with his other problems.

Basically this... waiting for a massive revolt that cuts their armies in half and has them busy fighting themselves and/or others.

You can use Spymaster to sow dissent in their lands... no idea how effective it is, but I always use it when waiting for revolts in another empire, seems to help, idk.

Then use the best CB you can on them, hopefully a Great Holy War if that's possible, as that can have others join and attack them as well and you get a whole Kingdom. Careful though with holy wars they could siege the lands you want and your vassals or allies will get it. Still better than HRE having it but you get what I mean.

Just make sure you declare war well before the war is over, don't do it if it's like 99% won already, it could end and re-unite and leave you in a bad spot. Check the war score and get an idea of both sides of the revolt, you may want to attack the actual revolt instead. Or Both!

allright i think i got it thanks man